jordan peterson claims "lion diet" of only meat cures depression and anxiety

[Egomaniac]

I don't really follow Peterson, but I have seen him in a few interviews. He claimed that his daughter had bizzare health issues that were solved by the diet. I don't know the whether the claims behind it are true or not. I do know that a look over on Peterson's twitter, website or facebook shows no mention of this book that he cowrote, but does have many photos of his other book, 12 rules for life. Doesn't it make sense that he'd be proud of a book he wrote and would advertise it, just like he does his other book? This is a cheap way to try to get some money off his name, plain and simple. The entire first page is criticizing him for being a "snake oil salesman," when you should be criticizing the scammer using his blogs and scamming HIM out of his content. Yeah, the "diet" is a bad idea, and that's what a large amount of the criticism in the thread is about. But most of it is about him "writing" a book about it, when he clearly didn't.

Yet again, you guys all have group confirmation bias. You WANT this to be true that you ignore all evidence to the contrary.

We understand that Peterson didn't write the book. Literally no one is saying that he did.

The book itself is a compilation of interviews, blog posts, speeches, etc that he and his daughter have done regarding their carnivore diet. Everything in it is something one or both have them have gone on record saying.

Also, Peterson isn't being "scammed" out of his content. The Amazon page states that $1 of every book sold goes to Peterson and his daughter

[Endus]

I'd say it's being pointed out because multiple people in this thread are specifically criticising him of being a snake oil salesman.

The person selling the book is obviously putting together a collection of speeches, podcasts, posts, whateverthefuck else found on the subject and selling it himself. This person is the snake oil salesman. There's frankly no proof, other than mere base-assertion, that the Petersons profit from this. If that's enough for you to call that a 'fact' then you're probably dumb enough to buy this sort of shit from others who better suit your ideology.

TLDR: bias, bias, bias. This thread is a shit-show.

The content of the book, the "snake oil" in this case, is still pushed by Peterson and his daughter. That someone else is also pushing it, possibly, with this book, doesn't change that. And really, we have no evidence that this is the case; it's all conjecture.

I don't really follow Peterson, but I have seen him in a few interviews. He claimed that his daughter had bizzare health issues that were solved by the diet. I don't know the whether the claims behind it are true or not. I do know that a look over on Peterson's twitter, website or facebook shows no mention of this book that he cowrote, but does have many photos of his other book, 12 rules for life. Doesn't it make sense that he'd be proud of a book he wrote and would advertise it, just like he does his other book? This is a cheap way to try to get some money off his name, plain and simple. The entire first page is criticizing him for being a "snake oil salesman," when you should be criticizing the scammer using his blogs and scamming HIM out of his content. Yeah, the "diet" is a bad idea, and that's what a large amount of the criticism in the thread is about. But most of it is about him "writing" a book about it, when he clearly didn't.

Yet again, you guys all have group confirmation bias. You WANT this to be true that you ignore all evidence to the contrary.

Again, the content is absolutely from the Petersons.

We're not taking issue with the packaging in this particular book. We're taking issue with the contents.

[Socialhealer]

the bible and quran dont really sell themselves as self help via diet fuckery

Just fuckery of your views and beliefs for the rest of your life, well spotted much much worse.

[D3cadent]

There is proof that the Peterson's profit from it though...it's right on the amazon page

https://www.amazon.com/Jordan-Mikhai.../dp/1695812638

THAT'S THE ASSERTION LOL

[Underverse]

To be fair, we don't know enough yet about human biology to know if such a thing would actually work for some people. Given the influence of the microbiome on our CNS and psychology in general, it's totally within reason to suggest that a dramatic shift induced by diet could affect different aspects of health. Actually - I would say that this is definitely true and we already have evidence showing that it is; we're just missing granularity on which microbes do what, how much of a therapeutic effect you can get, and predictive power on the interventions that would work given patient heterogeneity.

[Egomaniac]

THAT'S THE ASSERTION LOL

Then it's on you to prove that it's false.

And, again, it's about the content of the book...not the person selling it.

[Dacien]

I'd say it's being pointed out because multiple people in this thread are specifically criticising him of being a snake oil salesman.

The person selling the book is obviously putting together a collection of speeches, podcasts, posts, whateverthefuck else found on the subject and selling it himself. This person is the snake oil salesman. There's frankly no proof, other than mere base-assertion, that the Petersons profit from this. If that's enough for you to call that a 'fact' then you're probably dumb enough to buy this sort of shit from others who better suit your ideology.

TLDR: bias, bias, bias. This thread is a shit-show.

Wait so is this whole book just some guy packaging a collection of Peterson posts elsewhere? This is confusing.

[Egomaniac]

Wait so is this whole book just some guy packaging a collection of Peterson posts elsewhere? This is confusing.

We don't really know the extent of the guy's connection to the Petersons...but yeah...the book itself appears to be just a compilation of interviews, blog pots, speeches, etc from Peterson and his daughter regarding their diet. The Amazon page does state that the Peterson's do get a dollar from every paperback sold...some people question the truthfulness of that claim...but have yet to bring any evidence that disputes it.

[Fincayra]

The content of the book, the "snake oil" in this case, is still pushed by Peterson and his daughter. That someone else is also pushing it, possibly, with this book, doesn't change that. And really, we have no evidence that this is the case; it's all conjecture.



Again, the content is absolutely from the Petersons.

We're not taking issue with the packaging in this particular book. We're taking issue with the contents.

I guess I should go look at more Peterson content, but from the interview I saw, he wasn't really pushing it, just that the diet worked for his daughter's particular case. I'm definitely not buying this thing to see it all in one place, for sure, and I don't have Kindle Unlimited to get it for free.

So a casual google search, and this was the first article

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...carnivore-diet

The diet looks to be an extreme version of a Keto diet, minus anything else that you'd do on keto. If it worked for her? that's great. But the average person is going to see severe vitamin deficiency just from not having anything else in their diet. That's the main problem I have with celebrities in general. They think just because they have a soap box that they can spread stupidity. And, people are even stupider and think it's all genuine. Medical advice is personal. My cocktail of pills keeps me alive and sane. It might kill someone else. Now imagine I'm a movie star and go on a podcast talking about it. It's just dumb!

[Malaky]

Yet again, you guys all have group confirmation bias. You WANT this to be true that you ignore all evidence to the contrary.

Bingo.
You just need look at the first page of the thread, nothing but a huge circlewank of all the usual suspects in this forum, and the usual lies.

This really doesn't seem something Peterson would do, so I suspect there's a con artist in the middle who did this without their knowledge. Might be wrong, but this isn't the sort of stuff JBP would be out doing.

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His pushing of harmful pseudoscience and anti-semitic Nazi propaganda is why he gets smeared. This is "some health book" in the same way that Dianetics is.

"This kinda worked for me, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone since I'm no expert but hey, just putting it out here that this all carnivore diet helped me out" ---> "pushing harmful pseudoscience"

"communism was pretty bad too, millions of deaths, gulags sucked" ---> "pushing anti-semitic Nazi propaganda"

Man, talk about true bias.

[D3cadent]

Then it's on you to prove that it's false.

And, again, it's about the content of the book...not the person selling it.

I don't have to prove shit. It's nothing but a basic sentence on one fucking page.

If he claimed he was a God on that blurb, you'd believe that too I guess...

[D3cadent]

His name is on the cover, obviously with Peterson's approval. That makes him responsible for an endorsement of the contents.

How is it obviously with his approval?

Do you people always argue shit like this without even cursory attempts to verify what you are claiming?

Click "Peterson's" name.... Then search for some of Peterson's actual books.... Then click that name ))))))))

[Kumorii]

If you've listened to him about his and his daughters join condition and issues and how she started all meat diet which helped her that he later adopted, I'm sure this "book" is more of story what worked for them. Having a illness can lead to depression and anxiety curing that illness can cure depression and anxiety too. So in their case it could very well be true.

Fairly sure he has been clear from the start that it worked for them and that's about it... not sure why everyone is going rabid about it. Then again I think he could make a book that said 2+2 = 4 and people would argue that nothing can be trusted due to dislike of the guy.

Biases are real.

[Puzzlesocks]

Don’t think he ever suggested not to take anti-depressants, but a lot of people himself included apparently would rather not take them if they don’t have to. ‘I don’t want to make light of his problems but I just have to chip in my two cents’. What an ass.

Nice dog pile you’ve all got going on here, real classy.

That's because for anyone who hasn't taken them, anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds are sometimes absolutely terrible to be on. Suicide jumps when taking them because you can feel worse than if someone killed your entire family in front of you from the pills alone.

Something just doesn't sit well with me about the idea that we judge someone's message not on it's content or intent, but on how we perceive the person presenting it.

Welcome to the beginnings of Idiocracy. Don't forget that if someone says one stupid thing ever, that everything they say for eternity is now invalid and worthless.

I do still like to see him speak and debate people. It's obviously a well practiced act, but he's a good actor so it's still interesting to watch. If anything, Peterson is a case study in how to project confidence, pretend you know what you're saying while having no clue what you're on about. A useful skill for anyone who has ever set foot in a corporate board room.

Because anyone who says things you don't agree with is just an actor with an agenda. There is only good and evil in the world, and if you aren't super lef.. I mean good, then you are evil.

[downnola]

I totally get why people are trashing the Petersons for pushing some fad diet (and greatly offend many people here ideologically), but I don't understand people trashing Jordan for going on anti-depression meds. The guy has dealt with depression his entire life and his wife is battling cancer. Stay classy shitheads.

[Egomaniac]

I totally get why people are trashing the Petersons for pushing some fad diet (and greatly offend many people here ideologically), but I don't understand people trashing Jordan for going on anti-depression meds. The guy has dealt with depression his entire life and his wife is battling cancer. Stay classy shitheads.

His claim was that his fad diet meant he didn't need to be on meds anymore.

[s_bushido]

Welcome to the beginnings of Idiocracy. Don't forget that if someone says one stupid thing ever, that everything they say for eternity is now invalid and worthless.

Now let's be honest: if you found out your doctor was a flat-earther or believed in the healing power of crystals, how enthused would you be to go back to them for their medical opinion?

[Egomaniac]

I don't have to prove shit. It's nothing but a basic sentence on one fucking page.

If he claimed he was a God on that blurb, you'd believe that too I guess...

Well, generally speaking, it's kind of rude to accuse someone of fraud without evidence.

So, when should I expect the Petersons to get this book removed from Amazon?

[downnola]

His claim was that his fad diet meant he didn't need to be on meds anymore.

And then his wife was diagnosed with cancer out of nowhere. And he's never told anyone with clinical depression to go on an all-meat diet instead of seeking help from mental health specialists. In fact, he's a big proponent of having people seeking out help and trying medication instead of beliving the woo from anti-pharma cretins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9Uu5eILZ8

[Egomaniac]

And then his wife was diagnosed with cancer out of nowhere. And he's never told anyone with clinical depression to go on an all-meat diet instead of seeking help from mental health specialists. In fact, he's a big proponent of having people seeking out help and trying medication instead of beliving the woo from anti-pharma cretins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9Uu5eILZ8

Sure, but his claim was he didn't need medications anymore after his all-meat diet. Then he goes back on his medications. No one is mocking him for going on medication...he's being mocked for his claim not to need them.