Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Zaydin]

Shalcker knows. He doesn't care.

Paid by Putin not to care.

[Shalcker]

You realize Biden never had the power to actually do that right? He was negotiating for the US with the backing of the US government(including Republicans).

Biden never had the power to do what?

He certainly was capable of withholding aid - and consequently getting prosecutor fired.

[nonameelf]

Biden never had the power to do what?

He certainly was capable of withholding aid - and consequently getting prosecutor fired.

No, he's not. The Vice President does not have the power to withhold aid.

[Shalcker]

No, he's not. The Vice President does not have the power to withhold aid.

So you're saying it was empty threat? Pure bluff?

Why would Biden have to resort to it then?

[nonameelf]

So you're saying it was empty threat? Pure bluff?

Why would Biden have to resort to it then?

No, it means he had the support of the US government(including Republicans) and he was negotiating on behalf of the US government and not himself.

[Shalcker]

No, it means he had the support of the US government(including Republicans) and he was negotiating on behalf of the US government and not himself.

Could you show where do you get the idea that this support included potential withholding of aid for prosecutor removal?

[nonameelf]

Could you show where do you get the idea that this support included potential withholding of aid for prosecutor removal?

The Vice President does not have the power to withhold aid. Only the president or congress can do this.

[Orbitus]

Biden never had the power to do what?

He certainly was capable of withholding aid - and consequently getting prosecutor fired.

No he couldn't, he had no authority to withhold aid, he wasn't congress, and he wasn't president. And he wasn't the only fucking one that wanted the corrupt prosecutor fired, SEVERAL REPUBLICAN SENATORS SIGNED THE SAME FUCKING LETTER.

[Stormspellz]

Is it fine if Zlochevsky can buy both republicans and democrats?

Why didn't EU go "we'll hold your aid until you remove that prosecutor", and only Biden did? Why at that point specifically?

Another prosecutor was appointed and "found nothing" where previous prosecutor supposedly found something. Why exactly do you think he was unbiased (even Biden only said "he was solid at the time") rather then simply trying to avoid fate of previous one?

oh look more intellectual dishonesty twisting, lets pretend the corrupt prosecutor found something (HE DIDN'T AND DIDN'T LOOK), the next prosecutor would of has access to the same information.

Biden never had the power to do what?

He certainly was capable of withholding aid - and consequently getting prosecutor fired.

and no he doesn't, more lies; the vice president has no authority to that, same with the individual republicans.

[Shalcker]

The Vice President does not have the power to withhold aid. Only the president or congress can do this.

Where did you get the idea of bipartisan support for Shokin's firing specifically, including possibility of withholding aid? Because clearly you seem to imply that threat of withholding aid came from US Government, not Biden himself.

[nonameelf]

Where did you get the idea of bipartisan support for Shokin's firing specifically, including possibility of withholding aid? Because clearly you seem to imply that threat of withholding aid came from US Government, not Biden himself.

Republican senators sent a letter to Ukraine asking them to do it.

[Shalcker]

oh look more intellectual dishonesty twisting, lets pretend the corrupt prosecutor found something (HE DIDN'T AND DIDN'T LOOK)

The problem is - he did. He confiscated Burisma's owner property at start of February - same month he was fired.

the next prosecutor would of has access to the same information.

As well as know full well reason for firing of his predecessor while his country remained US client state.

[Stormspellz]

Where did you get the idea of bipartisan support for Shokin's firing specifically, including possibility of withholding aid?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/polit...ile/index.html

A 5 sec google is hard товарищ shalcker,

The 2016 letter, sent by members of the Senate Ukraine Caucus, was signed by Republican Sens. Rob Portman, Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson, as well as Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin, Jeanne Shaheen, Chris Murphy, Sherrod Brown, and Richard Blumenthal and focused on longstanding issues of corruption in Ukraine and urged reforms of the government.
"Succeeding in these reforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed," the letter reads. "It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. As such, we respectfully ask that you address the serious concerns raised by Minister Abromavičius. We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's Office and judiciary. The unanimous adoption by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Basic Principles and Action Plan is a good step."

[Shalcker]

Republican senators sent a letter to Ukraine asking them to do it.

Could you link to it?

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/polit...ile/index.html

A 5 sec google is hard товарищ shalcker,

That says nothing about specifically firing prosecutor though, and doesn't mention him in any way.

[Stormspellz]

Could you link to it?

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That says nothing about specifically firing prosecutor though, and doesn't mention him in any way.

very good, you took a major step back into reality товарищ shalcker,

[Cthulhu 2020]

Perhaps Shalcker should make his own thread on the Biden thing, because as you may or may not have noticed, this thread's title is: "Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump"

I know it's an almost century old tactic (if not longer) that the soviets used aggressively, thus it's ingrained in their propaganda culture, but "WHAT ABOUT ... " is just derailing the thread over and over again.

And of course, people have already addressed his concern. If Republicans want to investigate Biden for wrongdoing, they have the means to do it. Our Russian friend is just trying to keep the Biden conversation on the table as long as he can, by any means necessary.

[Shalcker]

And of course, people have already addressed his concern. If Republicans want to investigate Biden for wrongdoing, they have the means to do it. Our Russian friend is just trying to keep the Biden conversation on the table as long as he can, by any means necessary.

If President has means to investigate Biden's wrongdoings, should he only defer to DoJ to do it?

[nonameelf]

If President has means to investigate Biden's wrongdoings, should he only defer to DoJ to do it?

YES.

FFS. It is not the president's job to investigate people. It is the DOJ's job.

It's specifically set up this way so that the president can't do exactly what Trump tried to do.

[Skroe]

You people need to report Shalcker to obilivion, all at once, so the mods will finally take notice of this epic thread derailment here. Do not reply to him. Ignore him, and use the uBlock/Adblock extension in my comment to wipe him off the website.

I say this because the Biden accusations are baseless. There is not crime. No question of a crime. There is factually zero. But all you do by engaging with Shalcker is legitimizing the Russians and Trumphadis' tool of choice, which is to blur the lines between accusation of a crime and committing of a crime.

Do not be an accomplice to the likes of them. Do not be an accomplice to their thread derailment. More broadly, do not be an accomplice to their messaging war. If you do not respond, they will go away. If you all ignore and disappear them, they will not try. This is about Donald Trump and ONLY Donald Trump.

Donald Trump flagrantly violated the Constitution and US law. He cannot be President anymore.

Seriously, we have Donald Trump cornered. He's fucked and he knows it. We're winning! Big time! So why give oxygen to the lies that Trump and his Russian friends seek to promote? To use him as a box to stand on? It doesn't work. It is pointless.

We should celebrate the defenestration of Donald Trump, his supporters and how things are going very badly for them all and are going to get way, way worse in the weeks ahead. So why give airtime to a lie?

Thing strategically.

[Orbitus]

If President has means to investigate Biden's wrongdoings, should he only defer to DoJ to do it?

Trump CAN'T have a private investigator do shit like this over seas, because that is SPECIFICALLY illegal thanks to the campaign finance violations, Logan Act violations, and probably other laws he broke like bribery and extortion when he used Guiliani, and his band of merry men that will be in jail for quite a while.