Instead of asking for tinkers and dark rangers...

[Futhark]

Well no, because Ive been very patient and endured monks (apil fools joke class (joke comment)), DKs (grimdark fan service) and DH (derp edgy class) so I decerve my steam punk fix.

Mechagon is there for you.

[nonameelf]

A new class gives something new to play in the way that new races just don't.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

If the only way you have fun is for Blizz to add a new class, probably a good sign the design of the other 12 is broken.

Get off the reroll treadmill, demand revamps today.

[GMZohar1]

If you let class balance stop you from bringing out new classes then we would never ever have new classes...

[Kithelle]

They can do both if they want to, but question is if they actually want to.

[Craaazyyy]

maybe. i consider it a spec problem more than a class one.

it's definitely a class problem, that's why they should stop focusing on so called spec identity and start focusing on class identity

[rohoz]

it's definitely a class problem, that's why they should stop focusing on so called spec identity and start focusing on class identity

i wonder if people on here will admit that class identity is more than "having fire spells as a frost mage"

No? no.

[Craaazyyy]

i wonder if people on here will admit that class identity is more than "having fire spells as a frost mage"

No? no.

it's more, but it's one of those things

all classes should have some baseline abilities in every spec.. and there should be more baseline abilities for all specs

[Sangfoudre]

It appears 2.6% of the hunters have found a way to be competitive. Time to look in the mirror to see the real problem.

Indeed, spec popularity in a specific arena bracket at a very high level (and almost never attained by people) is a shitty metric when we talk about balance.
PvP is the most difficult aspect of the game to evaluate objectively specs.

[bryroo]

No. Stop with this idiocy. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

The expansions without new classes are not paragons of balance or class design.

After almost ten expansion the is no evidence to support this line of thinking.

New classes are going to be added to the game. The game will never be perfectly balanced.

The ones complaining about it sound like miserable people who are upset that everyone else has something to be excited about.

[Craaazyyy]

No. Stop with this idiocy. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

The expansions without new classes are not paragons of balance or class design.

After almost ten expansion the is no evidence to support this line of thinking.

New classes are going to be added to the game. The game will never be perfectly balanced.

The ones complaining about it sound like miserable people who are upset that everyone else has something to be excited about.

i don't think you understand what he was trying to say

the thing is that many people want new classes instead of wanting already existing classes to have better class design

it's fine to have new classes, but overall class design matters more

[rohoz]

it's more, but it's one of those things

all classes should have some baseline abilities in every spec.. and there should be more baseline abilities for all specs

let's go with warlocks and mages

For destro locks, it's been a dps loss to cast corruption since tbc for sure, could be earlier
For affi locks, it's been a dps loss to immolate for a long ass time. You'd never cast fire spells save searing pain tanking that guy in ssc. all of your utility spells exist in all three specs

Outside of ffb spam in T8, mages didn't use cross spec abilities. You have frost nova in all specs.
You don't need fire blast as frost cus you have ice lance, and vice versa. all of your utility spells exist in all three specs

so... why?

[Radaney]

I think the multi billion dollar company can give me both.

[Watchers]

Ask for better class balance and funner class mechanics.

Every time Blizzard adds a new class, all of the other classes get shat on and have to be redesigned to keep up with the new class' mechanics. Or worse, become unviable. Take DHs for example. Before DHs, some classes (namely monks) had crazy mobility but it was not anywhere near as outrageous as what DHs can do. Thanks to DHs, many more classes can zoom around the map now like it's some mock parody of a Japanese ARPG. And in case of BGs, every other tank class has become unviable because they don't have the insane utility and mobility of DHs.

Or take DKs for example. Remember how they completely ruined clever positioning in BGs because they could just grip people from 30 yards away? Blizzard followed up by giving all classes crazy grips and/or knockbacks.

The takeaway is that if they use a new class as the main draw of an expansion, they have to make it distinct and overpowered enough to make people want to play it. And they do that by giving it new, idiotically overpowered mechanics. If they introduce tinkers or dark rangers, I can guarantee you that they will be the bane of PvP and most likely the bane of PvE as well (at least until they get brought in line with other classes in 2 years).

Ask for improvements for existing classes instead. Ask for an expansion in which all classes are viable for all types of content. Ask for an expansion in which frustrating class mechanics don't make you want to bash your head against a wall. A shiny new OP class won't make you any happier in the log run.

every time blizz adds a class, there are babys crying

[Craaazyyy]

let's go with warlocks and mages

For destro locks, it's been a dps loss to cast corruption since tbc for sure, could be earlier
For affi locks, it's been a dps loss to immolate for a long ass time. You'd never cast fire spells save searing pain tanking that guy in ssc. all of your utility spells exist in all three specs

Outside of ffb spam in T8, mages didn't use cross spec abilities. You have frost nova in all specs.
You don't need fire blast as frost cus you have ice lance, and vice versa. all of your utility spells exist in all three specs

so... why?

maybe it's not all about your dps rotation and max possible dps? there are other parts of the game

it's also not just about having the spells across all specs, it's about having more spells, period

as for examples again in pvp as affliction if you're locked in shadow you cant cast anything, like actually you just run around.. there is also a part where you fake cast with certain school so you can safely cast other spells, bait interrupts etc., things like having arcane missiles as other specs so you could finish people that try to LoS you, things like arcane explosion to finish the kill or get someone out of stealth, same with RoF etc., i can name 10000000000000 different things, cone of cold in all specs does it also not matter? etc.

also the biggest thing is just because some stuff was fading away and wasn't being used does that mean it should just be removed? maybe instead they can actually make it useful again? a lot of

oh and btw corruption was in rotation in wotlk for destro, in tbc you were just spamming shadow bolt regardless

[Salvager23]

No. Stop with this idiocy. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

The expansions without new classes are not paragons of balance or class design.

After almost ten expansion the is no evidence to support this line of thinking.

New classes are going to be added to the game. The game will never be perfectly balanced.

The ones complaining about it sound like miserable people who are upset that everyone else has something to be excited about.

Honestly it's probably from people who suck at PvP.

[rohoz]

maybe it's not all about your dps rotation and max possible dps? there are other parts of the game

it's also not just about having the spells across all specs, it's about having more spells, period

as for examples again in pvp as affliction if you're locked in shadow you cant cast anything, like actually you just run around.. there is also a part where you fake cast with certain school so you can safely cast other spells, bait interrupts etc., things like having arcane missiles as other specs so you could finish people that try to LoS you, things like arcane explosion to finish the kill or get someone out of stealth, same with RoF etc., i can name 10000000000000 different things, cone of cold in all specs does it also not matter? etc.

also the biggest thing is just because some stuff was fading away and wasn't being used does that mean it should just be removed? maybe instead they can actually make it useful again? a lot of

oh and btw corruption was in rotation in wotlk for destro, in tbc you were just spamming shadow bolt regardless

So you used corruption in 1 of 3 expansions. Nice. Seems useful.

Affliction is mostly instacast damage in pvp rn. You aren't a kick target as affi like, at all
Destro still has drain life and fear, which are on a different school.

Jumping around spamming AE is dumb and I'm glad it's gone for frost/fire. Every other class has their one shot at destealthing, glad that you're a mere mortal now. Wtf do you need CoC and double blink and ring of frost for? lol foh. most of the mage prunes were done because mages were a bullshit class to deal with. Do you think RMP is good because all the skilled players manage to pick mage? rofl

[Muajin76]

Ask for better class balance and funner class mechanics.

Every time Blizzard adds a new class, all of the other classes get shat on and have to be redesigned to keep up with the new class' mechanics. Or worse, become unviable. Take DHs for example. Before DHs, some classes (namely monks) had crazy mobility but it was not anywhere near as outrageous as what DHs can do. Thanks to DHs, many more classes can zoom around the map now like it's some mock parody of a Japanese ARPG. And in case of BGs, every other tank class has become unviable because they don't have the insane utility and mobility of DHs.

Or take DKs for example. Remember how they completely ruined clever positioning in BGs because they could just grip people from 30 yards away? Blizzard followed up by giving all classes crazy grips and/or knockbacks.

The takeaway is that if they use a new class as the main draw of an expansion, they have to make it distinct and overpowered enough to make people want to play it. And they do that by giving it new, idiotically overpowered mechanics. If they introduce tinkers or dark rangers, I can guarantee you that they will be the bane of PvP and most likely the bane of PvE as well (at least until they get brought in line with other classes in 2 years).

Ask for improvements for existing classes instead. Ask for an expansion in which all classes are viable for all types of content. Ask for an expansion in which frustrating class mechanics don't make you want to bash your head against a wall. A shiny new OP class won't make you any happier in the log run.

Blizz likes to tinker with classes often. I also honestly feel there will never be class balancing.

[Teekey]

Ask for better class balance and funner class mechanics.

Every time Blizzard adds a new class, all of the other classes get shat on

Funny, considering the most beloved expansions all had new classes (WotLK, MoP, Legion). All of them were praised for their class design too.

[Craaazyyy]

Funny, considering the most beloved expansions all had new classes (WotLK, MoP, Legion). All of them were praised for their class design too.

Legion didn't have a good class design though