Sylvanas only popular cos Blizz dev blew her up. Alleria would surpass her if focused

[Combatbutler]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if Blizzard took every Windrunner and actually blew them up.

+ their kids, that entire clan should be wiped out of existence.

[Donald Hellscream]

As long as Sylvanas die and don't get some stupid fucking redemption story, I am good.

[cparle87]

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While I did goof and say Rhonin not Turalyon (needs sleep) the rest of what I wrote was about Alleria. Here's from wowpedia.

To the horror of her friends, Alleria came to see the orcs as little more than vermin to be exterminated.[15] Driven by grief and hatred, Alleria vowed that she would have vengeance. Her pursuit of revenge took her into human lands, where she led an elite cadre of rangers in hunting down renegade orcs of the Bleeding Hollow clan, who had been trapped on Azeroth after the end of the Second War.[12][5]

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You "bothered to understand the topic" you talked about so hard that you merged Alleria and Vereesa into one character.

See above, sorry. Also, ease up on the hostility.

[united]

Alleria isn't nearly as sexualized as Sylvanas, do some deeper thinking.

I said what I said. Your comment makes no sense, they’re both female elves and Alleria actually shows more skin than Sylvanas. How about you do some thinking if you can’t understand something as simple as that?

[formerShandalay]

While I did goof and say Rhonin not Turalyon (needs sleep) the rest of what I wrote was about Alleria. Here's from wowpedia.

To the horror of her friends, Alleria came to see the orcs as little more than vermin to be exterminated.[15] Driven by grief and hatred, Alleria vowed that she would have vengeance. Her pursuit of revenge took her into human lands, where she led an elite cadre of rangers in hunting down renegade orcs of the Bleeding Hollow clan, who had been trapped on Azeroth after the end of the Second War.[12][5]

I agree, as I said, Alleria is believable in her hatred, it's very well laid out in Beyond the Dark Portal, between feeling grief and survivor's guilt (and thus, hatred).

[baskev]

A direct result of a dev giving her story.

Yup, but i mean. She is in the past from Warcraft 3 the only one ( next to thrall). Who they try and give some new lore each expansion. Or some insight into her.

Oh yes, they did, and they are salvaging it the next expansion and making her actions heroic because of what/why they did it. It is this way because really her story should have ended a long time ago, the whole premise of her existence is gone. The Forsaken were initially going to die out.. they've made her survive because of her dev fans' fetish for her.

Yup, and i am afraid they are going to do the same to tyrande.

[shise]

I am convinced that Sylvanas' popularity has little to do with her nature and character, but far more because some blizz devs have just pumped her up, and ofucsed all the interesting plots and character portrayals to involve her.

My prediction is that Alleria would be more popular by some margin if she had/has the same focus from the devs as Sylvanas.

Except for the fact that she´s always been one of the most popular and mystical characters in WoW?

Some people...

[Fayenoor]

I am convinced that Sylvanas' popularity has little to do with her nature and character, but far more because some blizz devs have just pumped her up, and ofucsed all the interesting plots and character portrayals to involve her.

My prediction is that Alleria would be more popular by some margin if she had/has the same focus from the devs as Sylvanas.

Alleria never became Ranger-General of Quel'thalas even after her mother Lireesa wanted her to be one (Alleria was the eldest). she preferred to be more in the front lines attacking than defense. When Lireesa was killed by the Horde and Sylvanas rose to be the Ranger-General, she gave their mother's bow Thasdorah to Alleria because as a Ranger-Captain of the Farstrider Alleria would have more use for it in her strike force.

Alleria is a fairly single dimension character though - very focused on doing good. She absolutely hates the Horde because they killed her mother and brother and is sort of completely consumed by her hatred of Orcs in particular.

To expand her character more, Blizzard will have to make her embrace the void more and turn her more dark. Maybe make her a secret servant of the void and sacrifice Turalyon.

[cparle87]

I agree, as I said, Alleria is believable in her hatred, it's very well laid out in Beyond the Dark Portal, between feeling grief and survivor's guilt (and thus, hatred).

I'm not saying it's not believable, because it is. But that was her ONLY personality trait in the RTS. Her thing with Turalyon wasn't touched on in the game, only the books. So she was an all but blank slate for people to project themselves onto. And when what she was actually like was revealed and their headcanon got jossed, they got mad.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jossed

[Heladys]

Sylvanas is popular because she used to traipse around in a thong.

[Evilfish]

Sylvanas is popular because she used to traipse around in a thong.

Yeah that has to be it, cause nobody would like Sylvanas otherwise.

Oh wait, she never wore a thong, it must be from your fan art "alone time" material.

[Romanz]

This comment is especially dumb because the thread is comparing Sylvanas and Alleria, another female elf who has the benefit of actually being alive. It's almost as if sex appeal isn't what drives everything.

you do realize he practically was a place in NPC until Danuser wrote dark mirror pretty much annexing the character for himself

[Triceron]

Sylvanas is popular for a few reasons:


70% of it is sex appeal

20% of it is her hated for the other team and her ability to antagonize them in various ways

5% is due to marketing

5% is due to her complexity as a character.

I admit I like her because of marketting

[united]

Yeah that has to be it, cause nobody would like Sylvanas otherwise.

Oh wait, she never wore a thong, it must be from your fan art "alone time" material.

I’ve never seen anyone sexualize Sylvanas except those that don’t like her. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

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you do realize he practically was a place in NPC until Danuser wrote dark mirror pretty much annexing the character for himself

And what’s wrong with a writer having a self insert? Surely you hate Thrall as well because he is one? Or do you just not know any actual arguments against Nathanos so you go with the self insert route?

[Sharby]

I admit I like her because of marketting

There's literally nothing wrong with liking her don't get me wrong, the ONLY fan to fault correlation are ppl trying to make it seem like she's not evil because for some reason people don't get you are allowed to like evil characters lol.

[Fluttershy]

she was mad to appeal to incels, guess whats the main demographic in blizzard games

[GreenJesus]

The best part of people whining about the wrathgate stuff STILL is that we wouldn't have defeated the Lich King if he hadn't been poisoned with blight from the wrathgate.

Everyone would be dead because the LK won if that didn't happen. So whoever did it is THE hero of Azeroth.

That is sort of true. The people at the wrath gate were probably going to die anyway. They were way out of their league. You honestly believe the force that was there would have been able to beat the Lich King? The forsaken used them as a distraction to actually be able to injure the Lich king.

[munkeyinorbit]

I am convinced that Sylvanas' popularity has little to do with her nature and character, but far more because some blizz devs have just pumped her up, and ofucsed all the interesting plots and character portrayals to involve her.

My prediction is that Alleria would be more popular by some margin if she had/has the same focus from the devs as Sylvanas.

Devs have nothing to do with who is popular. All they do is take someone else's vision and implement it in game. The story team is to blame. I should know, I'm an actual dev.

[Zyky]

My prediction is that Alleria would be more popular by some margin if she had/has the same focus from the devs as Sylvanas.

Alleria was popular for years, they took far too long to introduce her into the story and then it was heavily overshadowed by the whole Turalyon/Lightforged story. She's a pretty lackluster character now.

[Romanz]

I’ve never seen anyone sexualize Sylvanas except those that don’t like her. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

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And what’s wrong with a writer having a self insert? Surely you hate Thrall as well because he is one? Or do you just not know any actual arguments against Nathanos so you go with the self insert route?

How is thrall a self insert? Because Metzen voiced him? Legimately Metzen came up with alot of the lore and story arcs, Danuser came along to jack off to elf porn and shitty writing. We've beaten up nathanos more than a training dumbee practicing new rotations, when's the dude actually gonna matter? How many times do i have to "kill" him, were on what the 4th or 5th? Also, Sylvanas fills the edgy self love me over everything else plot just fine without some lapdog following her everywhere getting beat at every turn, he almost only exists to show that ONE person still believes in her. Or loves her even after hearing how she doesn't care about anything besides mastering death.