"Arthas is dead"

[Pandragon]

Considering the "Jailor" has existed "since beyond memory", which is since when the City exists, I doubt it's Ner'zhul.

Technically he never said how old the Jailer is. Plus Ner'zhul could have killed and taken the place of the original Jailor, hence why the course of souls traveling into the Shadowlands has been disrupted and is just feeding into the Maw now.

[Raetary]

Arthas is not in the Shadowlands. When he died he went to an empty void.

He went to the exact same place Sylvanas went to, which IS the Maw

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my guess is he was given his job or created when the titans created the shadowlands. so possibly a titan, or a titan keeper gone rogue?

The titans did not create the Shadowlands.

The Realm exists ever since mortal life formed in the universe.

[ercarp]

When he was talking about The Maw, I was like, "Yep, Arthas is gonna be there."

[Lindon]

He went to the exact same place Sylvanas went to, which IS the Maw

No, Sylvanas ended up in a place that is litterally called "the endless void". Nowhere in the shortstory was that place ever described as being a part of the Shadowlands.

[GreenJesus]

Arthas is chilling with Cenarius obviously.

[Rhlor]

the Maw obviously the place he belongs to and from which he should never leave

[Raetary]

No, Sylvanas ended up in a place that is litterally called "the endless void". Nowhere in the shortstory was that place ever described as being a part of the Shadowlands.

Good god.

The Shadowlands as a concept quite literally did not exist back then.

Both Sylvanas and Arthas ended up in the Maw upon their deaths with the new lore.

EVERYONE ends up in the Shadowlands.

[chrisnorris]

my guess is he was given his job or created when the titans created the shadowlands. so possibly a titan, or a titan keeper gone rogue?



true, true. we’ll have to see. still, when you reread edge of night where she went sounds awfully like the void.



I think when demons die in a place with a lot of fel energy their souls are destroyed, similar to when elementals are killed in the elemental plane.

you know who I wanna see? garithos. he’s such a minor character, but also a total bastard.

yeah but their souls have to go some where right? not sure of the if their is a lore reason. like we destroyed argus so the legion cant resurrect any more. so the ones we kill now are perma dead?? and ragnaros died inside the firelands which means perma death if I am correct.
surely he would go to the shadowlands???
im excited to see it if that is the case.

[Justpassing]

I wonder if Vindicaar is there...

[Kathranis]

I think the maw is where sylvanas went when she jumped off icecrown and the val'kyr saved her, and arthas soul was there too, so theres a chance hes in the maw

This is definitely the most likely scenario, IMO.

[Magnagarde]

Guys duh. He's jailed in a raid. We'll free his soul from his torment there and have him aid us smack Sylvanas for a second time. We will 100% have those 2 meet.

"Glad you could make it, Sylvanas."

[Lindon]

Good god.

The Shadowlands as a concept quite literally did not exist back then.

Both Sylvanas and Arthas ended up in the Maw upon their deaths with the new lore.

EVERYONE ends up in the Shadowlands.

Good god. What a load of horseshit.

If you have proof then prove it. Cite any source that states that Arthas was sent to the Maw.

I know that you won't be able to find any because no such thing exists.

[Rhlor]

From the sound of Sylvanas's short story the Maw is the likeliest option for Arthas's location. It's funny though, he was bad because Frostmourne and Lich King corrupted him, while Kael was bad of his own volition. Yet he gets a chance for atonement in Revendreth, while Arthas gets the ultimate punishment, where there's no return.

you could say that kael that we killed outland did everything he did desperately to save his people, and the kael we killed in queldanas was just a reaminated body without the soul of kael.

if you only take the outland kael if I see it with redemption possibilities

[The Betrayer]

you could say that kael that we killed outlandly did everything he did desperately to save his people, and the kael we killed in queldanas was just a reaminated body without the soul of kael.

if you only take the outland kael if I see it with redemption possibilities

There is no basis for saying that he didn't have his soul. It's clear in his story that he lusted for power more so than anything else.

[Vakir]

Good god. What a load of horseshit.

If you have proof then prove it. Cite any source that states that Arthas was sent to the Maw.

I know that you won't be able to find any because no such thing exists.

There's no proof of anything because the concepts introduced literally happened today. This universe isn't real - it's a work of fiction. And it's very prone to retcons.

It's pretty likely that Arthas is in the Maw based on the description of said Maw as the shadowy place the worst people go. That's all we know.

[plz delete account]

Ion... we're going to the Shadowlands.

You think he's gonna be in the Maw? Or is he one of those that will redeem themselves in the same zone that Kael'thas is in?

Weren't you just complaining about Shadowlands?

[Lindon]

There's no proof of anything because the concepts introduced literally happened today. This universe isn't real - it's a work of fiction. And it's very prone to retcons.

It's pretty likely that Arthas is in the Maw based on the description of said Maw as the shadowy place the worst people go. That's all we know.

Sure, that I can agree with. Everything is up to what Blizzard deems fine.

However Ion also said during the panel "it's not arthas, arthas is dead" when people shouted arthas. This would kind of imply that Arthas is dead dead and not the normal kind of dead. But as you said if Blizzard wants to bring him back there's not really anything stopping them.

[Rhlor]

There is no basis for saying that he didn't have his soul. It's clear in his story that he lusted for power more so than anything else.

It is an assumption.

[plz delete account]

"Glad you could make it, Sylvanas."

"Watch your tone with me, boy king."

[eurojust]

you could say that kael that we killed outland did everything he did desperately to save his people, and the kael we killed in queldanas was just a reaminated body without the soul of kael.

if you only take the outland kael if I see it with redemption possibilities

Kael knew about the Legion and how dangerous they were. They were the reason why his Kingdom was destroyed. Imo he did this because of his own addiction. That's why TBC ruined his character while wc3 didn't ruin Arthas when he picked Frostmourne.