Why Sylvanas burned Teldrassil.

[Jazzhands]

Except if the mechanics of Shadowlands have been broken for a few years, it's not Sylvanas that broke them.

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We finally have a confirmation that Sylvanas is aware of the plot!

We don't know that. What if she's basically the Jailer's avatar, as the Maw gets more powerful so do they, and maybe she killed the Arbiter and that's why souls aren't being sorted.

And even if she didn't do that specific thing, it doesn't change the fact that she's murdered tons of people for whatever her goal is, and that a side effect of whatever she's doing has been destroying the Shadowlands.

[Mehrunes]

A ridiculous editorialization of the truth, so absurd that it basically is a lie.

The Aribter sending souls to their appropriate places, including the Maw, was literally on the panel. And the Jailer is responsible for keeping those that were selected for the Maw inside there. There was no editorialization of an kind in what @Al Gorefiend said.

Evil is a matter of perspective. To us, the players, and everyone on Azeroth, she's evil. She killed hundreds of thousands to accomplish whatever her goal is, that typically gets you labeled as evil, and the Jailer as her partner shares that label. If her goal has any noble intention, there would have been far easier ways to go about it. If all this death ends up being a way to fight the void in the end, some sort of "greater good" twist, there would have been easier ways to go about it and not unwillingly kill hundreds of thousands and cause grief and sadness and all that stuff.

How do you know there would have been any far easier ways to go about it? Was there an abridged Shadowlands mechanics course at Blizzcon that I'm unaware of? For all we know Sylvanas chose the most merciful way (unlikely since she doesn't give a shit about the concept). And even then Blizzard could change their minds 2347 ways before the "big reveal".

We don't know that. What if she's basically the Jailer's avatar, as the Maw gets more powerful so do they, and maybe she killed the Arbiter and that's why souls aren't being sorted.

Arbiter is alive from what I got from the panels. And how could have Sylvanas broken intricate mechanics of a realm she didn't even get into prior to her tearing up that portal at ICC?

And even if she didn't do that specific thing, it doesn't change the fact that she's murdered tons of people for whatever her goal is, and that a side effect of whatever she's doing has been destroying the Shadowlands.

How could have the side effect of her anything been the thin destroying the Shadowlands "even if she didn't break the mechanics of Shadowlands"?

[Jazzhands]

Except the portal into the Maw allowed living people to go in and as such made it possible for people to leave the Maw to the other parts of the Shadowlands (to check what's going on there and why the other places aren't working correctly) for the first time.

Player characters are the first time people are ever able to leave the Maw. It's implied our connection to Azeroth (the Titan) is the reason for this, not because we're living beings instead of souls.

[Darknessvamp]

Plot twist: Elune is the master of Death. Jailer and Syl are working for her. I'll take my Blizzard check now.

[Jazzhands]

The Aribter sending souls to their appropriate places, including the Maw, was literally on the panel. And the Jailer is responsible for keeping those that were selected for the Maw inside there. There was no editorialization of an kind in what @Al Gorefiend said. All souls have been going to the Maw lately, so the Arbiter is either dead, helping the Jailer, or being circumvented by some unknown means.



How do you know there would have been any far easier ways to go about it? Was there an abridged Shadowlands mechanics course at Blizzcon that I'm unaware of? For all we know Sylvanas chose the most merciful way (unlikely since she doesn't give a shit about the concept). And even then Blizzard could change their minds 2347 ways before the "big reveal"
If mass Death was required for some non-evil greater purpose, they can accomplish that without causing massive amounts of grief. Personal Sacrifice is a lot less evil than mass murder.



Arbiter is alive from what I got from the panels. And how could have Sylvanas broken intricate mechanics of a realm she didn't even get into prior to her tearing up that portal at ICC? Sylvanas was clearly able to communicate with the Jailer somehow. Sylvanas has also died a few times, maybe that's when she linked with him in some way, and thus can travel to and from through his power.



How could have the side effect of her anything been the thin destroying the Shadowlands "even if she didn't break the mechanics of Shadowlands"?
Even if she didn't personally break the mechanic, that doesn't mean it wasn't a part of her/Jailer's plan, and the lack of Anima to other zones is killing them. They gain power as more souls go into the Maw, it clearly benefits them so it's incredibly likely it was part of their plan, and if the Arbiter is still alive then they are somehow circumventing it by some means or working with it and it's not something that's happening by accident, that's too convenient.

Apparently thing's in quotes don't count towards 10 characters.

[Mechazod]

Except the Jailer isn’t evil at all and simply tasked with keeping horribly evil souls out of the realm of the afterlife. Even souls too irredeemable for Revendreth.

Random ass-pull theory, not taking into account probably lore I skipped:

-Silly Sylvanas is trying to empower the Jailer and the Maw with as much soul-power as she can drop into it, so that both the dimensional prison and its warden are strong enough to imprison the souls of the Old Gods (maybe even the Void Lords?). If the Old Gods/Void is unable to have a strong effect on the power of Death/Afterlife, it would be the perfect way to remove them permanently from Azeroth. You cant "kill" them, because they dont really die and it would kill Azeroth if we did (if thats still a thing), but maybe if you strike one down, there is still a point where their soul can be bound, there bodies able to keep on "living", but the essence of what controls them is trapped in WoW Hell.

Didnt Shadow Priests have some Old-God remains in weapon form from Legion that the soul of a fallen Old God got freed from and now it can act as a vessel to trap another ones spirit inside of?

[Al Gorefiend]

All the souls are going into the Maw, not their respective places.

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A ridiculous editorialization of the truth, so absurd that it basically is a lie.

That’s exactly the description of the Maw. The Arbiter - suddenly something older than the Titans that has always existed since the beginning of time , deems a soul so twisted and irredeemable they cannot be allowed to exist anywhere in the Shadowlands, are instead sent to the Maw.

The Jailer is the one who guards the Maw, he prevents souls from escaping. He’s an ancient entity as powerful as a Titan probably (though not confirmed). His role is to prevent evil from escaping, sounds like a noble thing right? And Sylvanas is helping him. There’s got to be something more than just evil, since Blizzard dodges treading on if Sylvanas’ actions are evil or she needs to be stopped or whatever involves her getting the die.

[Life-Binder]

the fact that Sylvanas didnt even think of killing Bolvar tells you she will be "redeemed" 100%


Kerrigan killed trillions, still redeemed

[Al Gorefiend]

Evil is a matter of perspective. To us, the players, and everyone on Azeroth, she's evil. She killed hundreds of thousands to accomplish whatever her goal is, that typically gets you labeled as evil, and the Jailer as her partner shares that label. If her goal has any noble intention, there would have been far easier ways to go about it. If all this death ends up being a way to fight the void in the end, some sort of "greater good" twist, there would have been easier ways to go about it and not unwillingly kill hundreds of thousands and cause grief and sadness and all that stuff.

Maybe the preservation of eternity for a soul is more important than preserving the lives of those on Azeroth since the timeframe spent living is just a fraction of how much time in the Shadowlands a soul spends?

Sylvanas saw -something- when she died and was given Val’kyr AKA agents of Bastion who can save a soul from entering the Shadowlands. Bastion, the good afterlife Uther was sent to, gave Sylvanas the soldiers they use to cross into the other realm.

[Yoshingo]

That’s exactly the description of the Maw. The Arbiter - suddenly something older than the Titans that has always existed since the beginning of time , deems a soul so twisted and irredeemable they cannot be allowed to exist anywhere in the Shadowlands, are instead sent to the Maw.

And you're apparently missing the fact that the Jailer and Sylvanas have corrupted that system and are sending all the Souls directly into the Maw, directly empowering the two of them.

His role is to prevent evil from escaping, sounds like a noble thing right?

We know nothing about the Jailer. They certainly didn't say his role is to prevent evil from escaping. In fact he's literally described a a boogeyman that nobody knows anything about.

And Sylvanas is helping him. There’s got to be something more than just evil, since Blizzard dodges treading on if Sylvanas’ actions are evil or she needs to be stopped or whatever involves her getting the die.

Yeah much like how we wouldn't expect who burned Teldrassil, right?

I love that you don't think Blizzard would not tell us stuff ahead of time. You think they're going to go, 'Hey Sylvanas is the big bad?'

[Life-Binder]

the Jailer and Sylvanas have corrupted that system

false .

[Mehrunes]

And you're apparently missing the fact that the Jailer and Sylvanas have corrupted that system and are sending all the Souls directly into the Maw, directly empowering the two of them.

Except at no point has it been said that it's them that have corrupted it. You literally made that up. Making your initial reply to @Al Gorefiend (i.e. "A ridiculous editorialization of the truth, so absurd that it basically is a lie.") ridiculously ironic. If not hypocritical.

What has been said on the other hand is that the error in processing has been going on for years. Making it extremely unlikely Sylvanas had anything to do with that because even going with the lowest possible amount of "years", i.e. 2 years ago Sylvanas had drastically different plans and she was simply trying to make herself and the Forsaken immortal by gaining control over Eyir.

We know nothing about the Jailer. They certainly didn't say his role is to prevent evil from escaping. In fact he's literally described a a boogeyman that nobody knows anything about.

Going by the panels:
- The Maw isn't a horrific prison for worst souls, a mystery even to natives.
- The Maw is Jailer's domain from which nothing has ever escaped.

And, you know, the Jailer being a jailer. Of a prison for said worst souls. That is the Maw. Hmmmmmmmm...

[Netherspark]

I'm confused. Do night elves actually go to the Shadowlands? I thought they just turned into wisps and hung out in their forests.

Maybe they go to Ardenweald and then return to Azeroth as wisps?

[Archmage Alodi]

Everything in the shadowlands predate the titans. So he can't be a titan.

I think it was mentioned that argus existed before the creation of universe of something like thar, in thousand years of war audio book.

[Ielenia]

and she didnt even want to kill Bolvar + said she is freeing us


5D chess, Kerrigan inc, forums will drown in nerd rage when she doesnt die in Shadowlands

Mad people believe the weirdest things. Didn't Elisande believe she was "saving the nightborne"?

[UnluckyAmateur]

Except the Jailer isn’t evil at all and simply tasked with keeping horribly evil souls out of the realm of the afterlife. Even souls too irredeemable for Revendreth.

Considering that the souls are only going to the maw and sylvanas, I doubt that. Isn't the whole conflict that the other realms are withering due to lack of soul input?

[Magicon]

Aha. That is why Sylvanas said Bolvar was not worthy of the crown. Cuz he just ignored what the maw was doing.

[qwerty123456]

false .

You can't say that for sure. We know what Sylvanas saw when she died scared the shit out of her. It could be she ended up being sent to the Maw and has been working with the Jailer ever since.

[Life-Binder]

You can't say that for sure. We know what Sylvanas saw when she died scared the shit out of her. It could be she ended up being sent to the Maw and has been working with the Jailer ever since.

so she somehow corrupted the entire Shadowlands years ago, before even getting her new powers or breaking the Helm
which also means she already got into and out of the Maw/SL long ago without needing the Helm as the gateway ..


???

[qwerty123456]

so she somehow corrupted the entire Shadowlands years ago, before even getting her new powers or breaking the Helm
which also means she already got into and out of the Maw/SL long ago without needing the Helm as the gateway ..


???

She was revived she didn't necessarily escape the maw. If she was judged to be "worthy" enough to be sent there its a pretty good chance she will be sent there again.

Also what other place would have freaked her the fuck out as much as she was? The bone zone? Or is she frightened of vampires?

Hell for all we know her death then resurrection could have been what started the maw taking all the souls. The jailor finally had a champion in the living world. And don't forget it says past few years. Kael'thas isn't in the Maw so it has to have been a relatively recent thing.

And we don't know when she got her new powers.