Anyone else under whelmed by the deep dive?

[Musta]

Yeah, too little info unfortunately.

[glowpipe]

This ^^
was utterly fine about everything but really expected massive changes on the talent/spell side of things.
Again Ion said months ago about how pruning had gone too far etc. they are playing it safe again

they are litteraly doing exactly what ion said. Bringing back class identity rather then spec identity and giving back skills that was removed. You are complaining just to complain

[Asrialol]

Sorry throwing money away on sub-par products isn't a hobby of mine. I realize your precious feelings are hurt because I'm not uber excited for the next Blizzard product, but "Being conscious of what you're spending money on? That's stupid, I just piss mine away on whatever!" really isn't the 'gotcha' argument you seem to think it is. Give it another try though, I'm sure you'll manage something equally condescending and yet also completely asinine.

Nice try, my friend.

[Sageofthe10paths]

This is just like Warlords of Draenor, minus the garrison. Bare min expansion, I'm really thinking about quiting after getting my Deathwing mount.

[Craaazyyy]

the complains were never about idiotic abilities like eagle eyes

complains are about rotations

and he shown nothing concerning rotations.

it was actually never about rotations really.. it was always more about situational abilities.. exactly about stuff like curses etc.

eye of the beast is kinda like that, but i agree that eye of the best isnt really something many people wanted or something that's really all that exciting

but there's a lot of other stuff that was needed to be brought back, like curses, totems, amz, kill shot, etc.

also it's not all about rotations in the game, things like having fireball as a frost mage matter because its a different magic school, maybe fireball isnt the most useful and exciting, but stuff like AE and Arcane missiles in other specs is very important

same with having heals as shadow priest, same with having mind blast in disc etc.

again i hope they will unprune more and this is not all that they'll bring back

[trebor]

A lot of people in this thread mus really like their diablo-style loot, AP, Azerite armor, and essences.

Shadowlands look so much better than BFA simply cause all of that is gone.

The removal of bad or boring features doesn't get me excited for an expansion, and that seems to be most of what they're doing for this expansion.

[Bosen]

It's definitely missing something. They could've thrown the bone of new race/class combos,at least. Maybe more dungeons and battlegrounds,since there's no new classes or races.

[trebor]

it was actually never about rotations really.. it was always more about situational abilities.. exactly about stuff like curses etc.

eye of the beast is kinda like that, but i agree that eye of the best isnt really something many people wanted or something that's really all that exciting

but there's a lot of other stuff that was needed to be brought back, like curses, totems, amz, kill shot, etc.

also it's not all about rotations in the game, things like having fireball as a frost mage matter because its a different magic school, maybe fireball isnt the most useful and exciting, but stuff like AE and Arcane missiles in other specs is very important

same with having heals as shadow priest, same with having mind blast in disc etc.

again i hope they will unprune more and this is not all that they'll bring back

Speaking as a shadow priest, I don't really care whether I'm able to use Flash Heal or not. I've been stuck with this horrible voidform shit for two--soon to be three--whole expansions now and I just want to see something new, or at least have the option of playing the class in a different way.

As bad as WoD was, at least the designers tried to give us options for how we wanted to play our class/spec. Gladiator Stance and Mind Spike to name a few. Those were talents that gave the players meaningful options that changed how the class was played.

The classes barely changed at all during the transition from Legion to BFA, and it seems like there won't be any core changes made this expansion either. It just feels like the WoW class design team have been on a break since Legion or (more likely) that they've been moved to other games/projects.

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I realize that my first sentence may have been poorly worded. I'm happy about the unpruning for those who actually do care about that stuff (because more options is good), but I'm angry that classes who had fun gameplay options removed during the Legion overhaul have essentially been in stasis ever since.

[Nobleshield]

Not totally on board yet, but getting there. It sounds cool, but so did BFA when they had the panel on that, and we know how that turned out.

Consider me intrigued.

[mojojojo202]

It wasnt exactly deep, but what was there was all positive for me.

The only thing I'm not too hot on is the class vs spec identity. I like spec identity, I want my assassination rogue to feel like they have specialised in assassination and are masters of it, I dont want to just feel like a generic rogue who got 1 extra ability and pretends like that makes them special.

[Video Games]

I mean i wish it went deeper. Do we still have talent rows with 3 to choose from, and are there still 7 rows? Is arcane still going to be awful? who knowwwwwwwwwws

[Craaazyyy]

Speaking as a shadow priest, I don't really care whether I'm able to use Flash Heal or not. I've been stuck with this horrible voidform shit for two--soon to be three--whole expansions now and I just want to see something new, or at least have the option of playing the class in a different way.

As bad as WoD was, at least the designers tried to give us options for how we wanted to play our class/spec. Gladiator Stance and Mind Spike to name a few. Those were talents that gave the players meaningful options that changed how the class was played.

The classes barely changed at all during the transition from Legion to BFA, and it seems like there won't be any core changes made this expansion either. It just feels like the WoW class design team have been on a break since Legion or (more likely) that they've been moved to other games/projects.

Edit:
I realize that my first sentence may have been poorly worded. I'm happy about the unpruning for those who actually do care about that stuff (because more options is good), but I'm angry that classes who had fun gameplay options removed during the Legion overhaul have essentially been in stasis ever since.

well i agree, i want more shit to be changed/brought back

[Teekey]

What's funny is that people claim they couldn't add a new class in Shadowlands because it's too much work to be done on the current ones. And then Blizzard says they're going to do less updates to classes than Legion...which also featured a new class.

Honestly, it seems like they're just generalizing some specific abilities for each Class as fan service.

[Gungnir]

I mean i wish it went deeper. Do we still have talent rows with 3 to choose from, and are there still 7 rows? Is arcane still going to be awful? who knowwwwwwwwwws

Likely still 7 to 8 rows, just spaced differently now due to new cap.

[Zyrinx]

This expansion has ZERO hook to it. None whatsoever.

[trebor]

well i agree, i want more shit to be changed/brought back

Yeah I didn't mean to sound like I was calling you out on anything, sorry. Your post just seemed like a good jumping off point for continuing the discussion.

[Zyrinx]

The removal of bad or boring features doesn't get me excited for an expansion, and that seems to be most of what they're doing for this expansion.

So so much this.

[Alcsaar]

Community moans for years about losing class identity, one of the most mentioned ones being pally auras.

Get them back and within essentially minutes people are bitching about them coming back.

Giving back old abilities isn't an expansion feature. Its a content patch.

Its underwhelming because they didn't introduce anything truly new and core for classes.

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See Blizz makes changes and the "community" freaks out and constantly complains that Blizz doesn't listen to them. Well, Blizz listened to them, gave them the changes they wanted, and they are still mad.
It is literally impossible for Blizz to do anything that doesn't end in edgelord bitching

Giving back old abilities is a content patch, it isn't an expansion feature.

[roahn the warlock]

no class charges basically.

another artifact type stuff.

yeah...

I wonder what did the audience think.

I didn't bought the ticket ofc.

How does "You're getting a ton of spells back" not equal class changes?

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Giving back old abilities isn't an expansion feature. Its a content patch.

Its underwhelming because they didn't introduce anything truly new and core for classes.

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Giving back old abilities is a content patch, it isn't an expansion feature.

I guess you missed the part where we're getting a new spell from the covenant, and then a whole series of changes from these shadowbind things?

[LostSinclair]

The expansion can't be more than 6-9 months away, and is this really all they have to share with us? There was no real "hook" no sweeping changes to problems that have been plaguing people since the start of bfa, just de pruning flavor abilities and a small explanation of the new "order halls" which most people will have min/max details about written down and mapped out before beta is over. honestly the no new class or race thing has me worried this is going to be another WoD, pretty to look at the start but a few weeks in and the honeymoon will crash and burn.