Warfront follow-up

[Feanoro]

"Tyrande is wrong for going to defend the night elf lands"

Yeah, well, eat shit, naysayers, she fucking won without the help of High King Mary Sue.

He's only interested in helping the Horde.

That one is REALLY easy:

Because it is a defeat that will not be shown anywhere in the game. In fact, those zones will not get updated for years, if ever. It would actually be a pretty safe bet that Blizzard will update them when the narrative is faction war again and the Horde takes them both.

The rule is like that:
Visible, humiliating defeat that actually happens in the game > Alliance
Invisible, unimportant defeat that never gets shown in the game and only ever mentioned when asked directly by players > Horde

Quoted for truth. Ashenvale and Gilneas are both supposedly retaken by the Alliance. Not a finger is lifted to update the zones. BFA has Ashenvale curbstomped again, along with Darkshore, and Teldrassil. You will not see them touch Darkshore to reflect the Alliance retaking them.

[cparle87]

THAT is what i am talking about.

Ah. You're upset that places like Ashenvale didn't get the Vale treatment and were permanently changed in response to questing. Or at least semi-permanently destroyed in the cases of Undercity and such.

[Eapoe]

You apparently missed the OP.

No, the OP mentions the Alliance, not specifically Tyrande. I haven’t gone to check, hence the “did I miss something” response, it it stands to reason that since the war is over because of Saurfang, and the Alliance standing with him, causing the Horde to eventually withdraw, then of course Alliance gets counted as the winner. Or does the lore state they won before Sylvanas was even ousted?

[VladlTutushkin]

Exactly. But was that push-back actually shown in game? Were orc buildings removed? Did trees grow back? Were there orc corpses laying around? I don't think so.

It was exactly the same situation as with the Warfronts now:
The Alliance version was that you push the orcs back, save the Heart of the Forrest and heal all the damage caused by the Horde.
The Horde version was kill Night Elves, kill more Night Elves, kill many more Night Elves, kill emerald creatues like Dryads and Fairy Dragons and finally destroy the Heart of the Forrest to show these Tree Huggers that their time is over and make the whole world into an even shittier place where the Forrest will NEVER grow back (despite the intent of this whole campaign was somehow to get more lumber....? Who cares!!!)

Obviously only one of these versions can be canon. They are 180° opposites of each other. Since the Forrest still exists, obviously the Night Elves won and the Alliance version is canon.

Was that EVER mentioned or even hinted by a later update? No. The next update we got to the zone was the Horde marching through to Darkshore in BFA. With ALL of their settlements from Cata still fully intact and operational. Settlements that should not have been there after SoO.

THAT is what i am talking about.

Btw, that... Horde constantly harps on and on about “muh resources” but pollutes, wastes , burns, blights, cuts down snd leaves to rot, uses irresponsibly and basically otherwise makes sure they either have no resources left very soon or those resources will never re-grow. Even polluting water with Blight or spilled oil makes it undrinkable for who knows how long.

[nonameelf]

No, the OP mentions the Alliance, not specifically Tyrande. I haven’t gone to check, hence the “did I miss something” response, it it stands to reason that since the war is over because of Saurfang, and the Alliance standing with him, causing the Horde to eventually withdraw, then of course Alliance gets counted as the winner. Or does the lore state they won before Sylvanas was even ousted?

They said the Alliance won both Warfronts. Which means Tyrande won in Darkshore. Not sure what part of this you're having problems with.

[Feanoro]

Btw, that... Horde constantly harps on and on about “muh resources” but pollutes, wastes , burns, blights, cuts down snd leaves to rot, uses irresponsibly and basically otherwise makes sure they either have no resources left very soon or those resources will never re-grow. Even polluting water with Blight or spilled oil makes it undrinkable for who knows how long.

In-game: No one ever said the Horde was filled with great minds. IRL: Blizzard can't be bothered with "boring" world-building like the Horde actually developing skills beyond plundering what they need/want.

[VladlTutushkin]

In-game: No one ever said the Horde was filled with great minds. IRL: Blizzard can't be bothered with "boring" world-building like the Horde actually developing skills beyond plundering what they need/want.

Plus building pipes that dosent leak and not turning landscape into a post-nuclear wasteland is not “metal” and for “tree hugging hippies” (despite even most “metal” of industry workers know that spillages lead to being fucked in many ways) and not suited for their “cool kids” faction.
Also its funny how they never address that - like trolls shouting at goblins because they built some fucked up machine and ruined a clear water oasis with spilled oil and pollution and now Horde has less water to use. Or how orcs demand wood from blood elfs or Zandalari or any other of their allies with lush lands and those start acting stingy. Or how everybody is pissed of because undead tested their new Blight stamm on some animals and now whole forest is inedible because entire ecosystem got poisoned.

[Al Gorefiend]

I mean the Horde won all of MoP and were winning so hard that Vol’jin felt it wasn’t fair how badly the Alliance was getting stomped and felt the Horde was being too mean. So formed a rebellion to stop it.

The Horde losing all of BfA’s warfronts and getting Zandalar sacked shouldn’t have surprised anyone. They began with a surprise attack following a ruse to rout forces to Silithus promptly got shit on since. No doubt about it the Alliance is hugely more powerful than the Horde right now.

[Dziubla]

Every single thing that happens in game, both lore-wise and mechanic-wise, favours horde. The only time they make anything pro-Alliance, is outside of the game, usually in the form of a throwaway comment, like we had today with the Warfront "results".

[bmjclark]

If there are less active fights going on, there's less opportunity for the horde to lose them. Horde bias.

Also, only these forums could come up with reasons why, in an expansion that removed the only leader the horde still had left from vanilla, blizzard is biased against the alliance.