Sylvanas vs Lich King, lol how

[erifwodahs]

Bolvar is not Arthas, he did not have frostmourne to fight with, and even then, frostmourne was shattered by Ashbringer, a weapon we used last expansion.

[Terongor]

Bolvar is not Arthas, he did not have frostmourne to fight with, and even then, frostmourne was shattered by Ashbringer, a weapon we used last expansion.

Uhhh..... frostmourne was connected to original lich king when arthas was wielding and he empowered arthas true the blade as stated in warcraft 3 tft as such yeah its strong sword and all that but based on previous lore its special ability is stealing souls and its not scepter of sargeras or xal'atath. Hell even with all frostmournes power arthas nearly lost to uther if uther managed to hit him once he would have died but then arthas started fighting smart and abusing uther old age and slow weapon making fast small strikes and then dodging until uther got tired most of lks power came from helm of domination which Ner'zhul was in and fed arthas power because he wieded frostmourne.

Also LK at his peak is weaker than Lei shen 1v1 so what should you expect.

[StillMcfuu]

Still, he was able to throw rocks with mojo and make a huge blizzard out of nowhere. I get that Sylvanas gets more power with each corpse and the Blood War made her overpowered, but they should at least allow LK to land 2-3 hits before being defeated. The entire fight was dragonballish as hell.

Also, I bet that we will just repel the Scourge invasion as always, leading to a conclusion that no LK was needed and Bolvar indeed is nothing more than a plot device.

You could say that due to Saurfang hitting her, she decided not to play with her enemies anymore. She made the same mistake against DK Arthas by fooling around with him instead of just killing him, it gave time for Kelthuzad to save Arthas.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Number 120 in the "I don't follow the story but I'mma be outraged because I don't get it all the same!"-marathon.

Sprinkled with some "LOL female character beats male character wtf" for good measure.

[Watchers]

is making a danerys...

[Albarin]

Um, maybe it’s because this is Bolvar as the Lich King and not Arthas? Bolvar had the experience of sitting in a chair and controlling the scourge, with maybe some battle experience thrown in there. Sylvanas has the experience of a long-lived elf ranger, along with being undead and a banshee with the power of the Maw and help of the Jailer. So, I mean... by all means, you can continue whining.

[Polarthief]

there is an expansion called Battle for Azeroth.

in it, the writing is shit.

in patch 8.2.5 we saw Sylvanas using some power which was never foreshadowed before but we should accept it because it looks cool.

apparently it's enough to solo the entire Icecrown Citadel+LK.

It's literally "badass female lead" except she's a fucking mary sue. It comes off as cheesy, awful, cliched writing.
Exclusively Games posted a video 4 hours ago that sums up everything pretty well about the trailer:

Um, maybe it’s because this is Bolvar as the Lich King and not Arthas? Bolvar had the experience of sitting in a chair and controlling the scourge, with maybe some battle experience thrown in there. Sylvanas has the experience of a long-lived elf ranger, along with being undead and a banshee with the power of the Maw and help of the Jailer. So, I mean... by all means, you can continue whining.

And the entire scourge army that was meant to devastate Azeroth had Bolvar not taken over; she just defeats it off-screen? We're supposed to just believe that? Please.

Sylvanas is easily the worst character to date in Warcraft history. She's 100% a Mary Sue.

[Albarin]

And the entire scourge army that was meant to devastate Azeroth had Bolvar not taken over; she just defeats it off-screen? We're supposed to just believe that? Please.

I will never understand how an army of undead are supposed to overwhelm or even “devastate” a world that has fought way more powerful foes off at this point. Lol

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

All signs have pointed towards Sylva as being in kahoots with somebody, or something, which has made her stronger and stronger over the recent expansions. From manipulating the Val’kir (who are from the Shadowlands) to basically killing everyone.
As we now know the Shadowlands are in conflict, the Maw where only the unredeemable souls are supposed to go has for some time absorbed all souls (which is called "Anima"). This "anima" is a powerful resource/source of power in the Shadowlands, it is this power Sylvanas has been granted by the ruler of the Maw- who we don’t know much about yet.
What we do know is that these realms of exsistance pre-dates the titans, so it is plausible that this thing Sylvanas has allied with is as powerful (or more) than the titans- and she’s made it stronger.

[Armourboy]

Im fucking confused that people are so confused by this shit.

The fact she beats the lich king it litterally meant to show how powerful shes gotten.

Except for the fact it doesn't really come off that way. The way they did it left it feeling more like the Lich King was just weak.

They had a ton of potential to do exactly as you suggest by showing that Bolvar was as strong if not stronger than Arthas by being infused with the powers of the Dragonflight to go along with the powers he gained by being the Lich King. He didn't even make her sweat, and the ultimate F you was the whole stopping his swing like a freaking Sith Lord or something.

It did the exact opposite for lots of people, and that is simply due to poor setup.

[cocomen2]

Except for the fact it doesn't really come off that way. The way they did it left it feeling more like the Lich King was just weak.

They had a ton of potential to do exactly as you suggest by showing that Bolvar was as strong if not stronger than Arthas by being infused with the powers of the Dragonflight to go along with the powers he gained by being the Lich King. He didn't even make her sweat, and the ultimate F you was the whole stopping his swing like a freaking Sith Lord or something.

It did the exact opposite for lots of people, and that is simply due to poor setup.

Next thing you gonna say us : Bolvar is red dragonflight aspect YeaH? (lol he just fireundead ... unique type like Calia), what a powers he

gained by being the Lich King ???? HE HAS NO FROSTMOURNE!

Seems kids nowdays has delusinal idea about lich king,so OLD GODS,TITANS,ALIENS <<< Undeads skeletons and zombies x1000 yeah?

LICH KING is OLD NEWS, let it GO

[mysticx]

Im fucking confused that people are so confused by this shit.

The fact she beats the lich king it litterally meant to show how powerful shes gotten.

It's just done in a rather hamfisted way, the Lich king (Even the new one) was supposed to be a big deal, Sylvanas just waltzes in there, hisses her "Edgier than thou"-monologue while wiping out an undead army off-screen, slaps him around like it's nothing, breaks the helm of domination because of course she can, which opens a portal into the realm of death itself, okay...

I might be biased because i'm sick and tired of Sylvanas, always pulling the perfect counter to anything out of her back... pocket, but to suddenly go "Yeah, she's uber-powerful now" without any buildup isn't mysterious, it comes off as amateurish... That they need to explain that stuff at BlizzCon further emphasizes that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's literally "badass female lead" except she's a fucking mary sue. It comes off as cheesy, awful, cliched writing.
Exclusively Games posted a video 4 hours ago that sums up everything pretty well about the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TtMeheUrS8



And the entire scourge army that was meant to devastate Azeroth had Bolvar not taken over; she just defeats it off-screen? We're supposed to just believe that? Please.

Sylvanas is easily the worst character to date in Warcraft history. She's 100% a Mary Sue.

We know both from the cinematic and word from the devs later she didn’t beat the whole scourge army. In the cinematic we see that zombies are wary of her but they don’t attack her they let her walk by at the gates of ice crown. There is no reason to think she Beat the whole army and she isn’t a Mary Sue every female character you don’t like isn’t a Mary Sue that’s not how the term works.

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It's just done in a rather hamfisted way, the Lich king (Even the new one) was supposed to be a big deal, Sylvanas just waltzes in there, hisses her "Edgier than thou"-monologue while wiping out an undead army off-screen, slaps him around like it's nothing, breaks the helm of domination because of course she can, which opens a portal into the realm of death itself, okay...

I might be biased because i'm sick and tired of Sylvanas, always pulling the perfect counter to anything out of her back... pocket, but to suddenly go "Yeah, she's uber-powerful now" without any buildup isn't mysterious, it comes off as amateurish... That they need to explain that stuff at BlizzCon further emphasizes that.

Sylvanas power doesn’t show up without any build up. In WC3 she was strong enough to break away from arthas, in wrath she fights arthas and while she doesn’t win she doesn't die either and does some if not much damage, in mop we learn that her and the valkiurs have expanded what that can raise, in bfa we litteraly see her made a deal with an aspect of death and fight internals, in bfa she fights malfurion.

She has been developing power since WC3 and while a lot of it hasn’t been shown a to of it has been.

[Mikazukinoyaiba]

They had a ton of potential to do exactly as you suggest by showing that Bolvar was as strong if not stronger than Arthas by being infused with the powers of the Dragonflight to go along with the powers he gained by being the Lich King.

Why? Bolvar isn't supposed to be stronger than Arthas, dude doesn't want to become the Lich King, he also never ever shown to win against any formidable opponent when Arthas has won against Mal'Ganis, Kael, Illidan, Antonidas, Uther and the Silverhand Paladins one after another.

Bolvar being stronger as Arthas just because he wore the same helmet would be the actual bad writing.

Bolvar is not the Lich King, he doesn't want to become the Lich King, he's just there because someone has to wear the helmet, he's never shown to have the same combat prowess as the Lich King, he just happened to wear his helmet.

If C-3PO wore Darth Vader's helmet, Vader's entire legacy doesnt suddenly transferred to C-3PO, its just bull!@#$

[Egomaniac]

Sylvanas got Buffed by The Jailer.

Bolvar has always been a Nerfed LK.

It's not that hard to understand.

[Kyrian Warrior]

So what power is she juiced up on that she managed to take on the entire icecrown single handedly, and then defeat Lich King so easely. Its the Lich King ffs, Super powerful being thats also Bolvar, infused by dragonfire and light n sheet

The jailer empowers her. She fed souls to the jailer since at least Legion and as he grew in power, so did she.

Or because she has a Vagina.

[TheHodedOne]

At this point the next expansion will be Sylvie raiding Illidan and one shoting Sargeras."She has been taking power from the Shadowlands" crap is dumb as fuck, proves WoW writting is very bad, like real bad. I know Blizzard is trying to make Sylvanas the new big Bad guy but this shit is laughtable.

[Kyux]

What did you even expect from seared body with no "lk-combat-style-experience" Lich King vs Sylvanas, General of the Silvermoon, veteran of MULTIPLE wars + EXTREMELY powerful allies?!

I would be surprised if he could even punch her once...

Omfg yes exactly. How do people not get this?!

The fight made perfect sense. How was Bolvar ever expected to win? The LK has never been strongest 1v1, let alone a beaten and battered, scorched zombie Bolvar.

[ErrandRunner]

Sylvanas' sudden power ascension does come across as inorganic to the story.

[TheHodedOne]

Bolvar´s story arc handling has been very poor too, we know the guy has seen some real shit, suffered a lot and after all he accepted the torment of wielding the LK powers to contain the Scourge. In the lore we know he is an strong paladin, not as powerful as Arthas but a great warrior nothenless, in the trailer we only see him trowing rocks and making ass slow hits with goofy snow tricks, sorry but a Warrior like him the powers of the LK should have been at least a long fight, and Sylvanas arrows looked like fucking nuclear missiles, wtf Blizzard.