The Brexit aftermath thread

[zealo]

Just for the sake of presenting the actual facts here when Dribbles is spreading misinformation, the UK's gross contribution to the EU after their rebate is about 13 billion a year, so roughly £250 million a week. When you then take EU investment back into the UK into account after that, it drops a bit further to about 9 billion a year, to about 170 per week.

[dribbles]

350m a week would be ~18 billion a year. A decent amount, but then you remember that the UK has a GDP of around 2.5 trillion, so.. 0.1%? Not too bad

Oh, and the bus was debunked, numerous times, the actual figure is lower

No it wasn't debunked at all, if anything it is far higher.

The costs of EU membership cannot be measured in contributions alone. What about all the extra red tape regulation to business extra costs passed on to consumers? What about the extra costs in tariffs the protectionist EU apply to goods from outside the EU that are passed on to consumers inside the single market? What about the costs of uncontrolled immigration?

The costs of EU membership are immeasurably higher, yet difficult to quantify, than the £350 million a week from the side of Boris's bus. You add up all the direct and indirect costs of EU membership and it could be quite reasonably argued that it is over a billion a week.

As some senior economists have extensively covered and justified here.

https://globalbritain.co.uk/wp-conte...ship-FINAL.pdf

I'd be all for the true figure stuck on the side of the bus, my worry would be that the bus wouldn't be long enough to get all the zeros on the side. You really shouldn't query the 350 million a week figure in case a higher, more accurate one is placed on the next brexit battle bus should it make a return.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

I would oppose all regulations that were imposed on the UK by the EU empire.

Name them, then.

I'll give you a tip: it won't be a very long list because the UK agreed to pretty much everything decided in Brussels since joining (and got opt-outs for most of the things it didn't like), and went above and beyond what was needed to implement them in national law.

[Fandasiril]

Well that is just rubbish.

I won't vote SNP, firstly, never have, never will. You don't need to vote SNP to consider independence, or vote for it.

The SNP will be power-brokers in any independent Scotland, you can't separate the one thing from the other.

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That being said, the SNP are nothing like UKIP. They are not far right. They are clearly left of centre.

Nationalist parties are generally considered right-wing. The only thing the SNP supports which is left-wing is extravagant spending of Westminster money-they would be stupid not to.

The SNP's policies for an independent Scotland however are essentially tory policies +. You obviously have not read their growth commission report, it is frank about imposing austerity on an independent Scotland and relocating UK financial services north-it is designed to turn the country into a banking center. There's nothing remotely left-wing about it-independent Scotland would essentially be marginally to the right of Boris Johnson's Tories with their vague half-assed concessions to left-wing populism.

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Scottish independence isn't simply a product of racism, like most Brexit people.

With respect, you are saying that because you are Scottish. Scottish racism is pretty vicious, I say that as someone who lived through the worst years of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. We don't complain about it much because English people aren't a protected class and to some extent we get the reasons why, but it is there.

I also think you are overstating the element of racism in brexit. It is there, and it is significant, but it isn't enough by itself to deliver a majority.

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The idea that Scotland relies on Westminster grants is just wrong. Scotland pays in more than it takes out, maybe not by much but it is still a surplus.

If you take into consideration raw expenditure vs taxation, probably yes, but it is a lot more complicated than that. You have to take into consideration that a smaller economic unit has less political leverage and suffers from greater volatility - a Scottish government could not risk committing the same level of expenditure it does currently and indeed, the SNP is specifically saying it will not do that.

[Gorsameth]

Nothing like another burn account telling us how Brexit totally wasn't about keeping out scary muslims.

[Fandasiril]

Nothing like another burn account telling us how Brexit totally wasn't about keeping out scary muslims.

I'm not really into oversimplifying things for the benefit of people who have trouble understanding complex events, sorry.

There's enough reductive cynicism and sloganeering in politics already.

[Temp name]

No it wasn't debunked at all, if anything it is far higher.

The costs of EU membership cannot be measured in contributions alone. What about all the extra red tape regulation to business extra costs passed on to consumers? What about the extra costs in tariffs the protectionist EU apply to goods from outside the EU that are passed on to consumers inside the single market? What about the costs of uncontrolled immigration?

The costs of EU membership are immeasurably higher, yet difficult to quantify, than the £350 million a week from the side of Boris's bus. You add up all the direct and indirect costs of EU membership and it could be quite reasonably argued that it is over a billion a week.

As some senior economists have extensively covered and justified here.

https://globalbritain.co.uk/wp-conte...ship-FINAL.pdf

I'd be all for the true figure stuck on the side of the bus, my worry would be that the bus wouldn't be long enough to get all the zeros on the side. You really shouldn't query the 350 million a week figure in case a higher, more accurate one is placed on the next brexit battle bus should it make a return.

And yet pretty much everyone agrees the British GPD will take a hit after leaving the EU. Hell it's taken a hit just saying it'll leave. I wonder why that is?

[CostinR]

It would seem I'll have to revise my opinion somewhat compared to what I original voted in the poll.

I expected, based on events at the time, that the UK would ultimately withdraw Article 50. Well I don't think that's likely to happen anymore.

Also Boris Johnson, who isn't like that idiot Theresa May who really couldn't help herself in 2017, will likely win a majority government....maybe even he'll get the largest conservative majority in post WW2 history or close to what Thatcher had, and possibly only behind the majority Tony Blair had.

I hope you're good for a wild ride.

[mojojojo202]

Farage announces that he will not stand as an MP.

Almost certainly because he knows that whatever seat he stands un there will be a concerted effort to make sure he doesn't win.

Coward.

[tehealadin]

£350 million a week is quite a lot of spondoolies to splash around. Did you miss the Boris bus? I would oppose all regulations that were imposed on the UK by the EU empire. There should be a bonfire of unnecessary regulations.

Even Farage said that they shouldn't have put that on the bus- it wasn't true.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

On the topic of Farage, he won't be standing for election: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50280848

He says that he can support his party members better by not standing himself (i.e. he prefers to heckle Johnson and Corbyn from the side-lines because he is too cowardly to stand and lose a Westminster election bid for the 8th time).

So unfortunately for our resident dribbler, Farage will not be taking up a post in Johnson's new cabinet, should the Tories win the election as he will not be an MP.

By the way @dribbles, I'm still waiting for that list of EU regulations that they foisted upon the UK against its will which you don't like (and an explanation why).

[dribbles]

And yet pretty much everyone agrees the British GPD will take a hit after leaving the EU. Hell it's taken a hit just saying it'll leave. I wonder why that is?

Pretty much everyone being Project Fear remainers you mean? They've never been right about anything.

On the topic of Farage, he won't be standing for election: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50280848

He says that he can support his party members better by not standing himself (i.e. he prefers to heckle Johnson and Corbyn from the side-lines because he is too cowardly to stand and lose a Westminster election bid for the 8th time).

So unfortunately for our resident dribbler, Farage will not be taking up a post in Johnson's new cabinet, should the Tories win the election as he will not be an MP.

By the way @dribbles, I'm still waiting for that list of EU regulations that they foisted upon the UK against its will which you don't like (and an explanation why).

Lord Farage will be fine with an impressive pension funded by EU members for decades to come. Reform/abolition of the House of Lords is his next target once we are out of the EU.

Here's your list.

Working Time Directive
Renewable Energy Directive
Common Fisheries Policy
Onerous Banking Regulation
Weedy Vacuum Cleaners, Hair Dryers,Toasters etc
and so on and so on.

Oh I almost forgot most importantly, the Bendy Banana Directive

Is that enough to be going on with? If you want more just say...

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

So you think that people should be forced to work more than 10 hours per day, the air should be full of smog, the seas should be devoid of fish, criminals should be allowed to launder money and household devices should be allowed to electrocute their owners? Ah the good old days of the 19th century work houses. Maybe Mogg will reintroduce them.

By the way, the "bendy banana directive" is a myth. Just like your claims of reasonableness.

[AeneasBK]

Everytime anyone engages with another poster over the bendy bananas bullshit, God shoots a kitten.

It doesn't merit remark.

Just letting you know.

[mojojojo202]

On the topic of Farage, he won't be standing for election: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50280848

He says that he can support his party members better by not standing himself (i.e. he prefers to heckle Johnson and Corbyn from the side-lines because he is too cowardly to stand and lose a Westminster election bid for the 8th time).

So unfortunately for our resident dribbler, Farage will not be taking up a post in Johnson's new cabinet, should the Tories win the election as he will not be an MP.

By the way @dribbles, I'm still waiting for that list of EU regulations that they foisted upon the UK against its will which you don't like (and an explanation why).

The reason why he wont stand is so damn obvious; there is no seat in the country where he stands a reasonable chance of winning.

[dribbles]

Everytime anyone engages with another poster over the bendy bananas bullshit, God shoots a kitten.

It doesn't merit remark.

Just letting you know.

Don't like the bent banana law? How about the EU banning fried breakfasts for UK lorry drivers who want to drive in the EU forcing them to eat croissants instead?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ig-fry-up.html

There is no part of an EU citizens life where the Brussels nanny knows best.

Another one. Most reasonable people would accept that legislation is required for the safe and humane transport of livestock, lambs and cattle for example, over thousands of miles before slaughter. But for Mussels and other shellfish? What next protection for carrots, lettuce, tulips from Amsterdam in case their feelings are hurt?

There are so many more as you can imagine after 40 years of EU messing about with legislation and spending huge sums of EU taxpayers money. Want more?

The EU banning barmaids bosoms is an interesting one...

https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/152

[Temp name]

Don't like the bent banana law? How about the EU banning fried breakfasts for UK lorry drivers who want to drive in the EU forcing them to eat croissants instead?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ig-fry-up.html

I don't know how you read that and get that they want to ban the fry-up, other than just reading the title..

it's literally just saying they have to have health checks.

[dribbles]

I don't know how you read that and get that they want to ban the fry-up, other than just reading the title..

it's literally just saying they have to have health checks.

Because the EU proposal was to legislate for a lorry drivers acceptable cholestorol level. It stands to reason that someone who starts every day with a fry up is likely to have higher levels than someone who eats a carrot for breakfast. That is discriminatory to British traditions and banning the fry up for UK lorry drivers by the back door.

What on earth possesses the EU to get involved in such minutiae of their citizens lives. Does everyone really need such micro management?

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Because the EU proposal was to legislate for a lorry drivers acceptable cholestorol level. It stands to reason that someone who starts every day with a fry up is likely to have higher levels than someone who eats a carrot for breakfast. That is discriminatory to British traditions and banning the fry up for UK lorry drivers by the back door.

What on earth possesses the EU to get involved in such minutiae of their citizens lives. Does everyone really need such micro management?

Are you commenting on a video game message board, or are you composing a letter to the Telegraph?

[dribbles]

By the way @dribbles, I'm still waiting for that list of EU regulations that they foisted upon the UK against its will which you don't like (and an explanation why).

You asked for the list.

Are you commenting on a video game message board, or are you composing a letter to the Telegraph?

Changed your mind about seeing the list now I've provided it? Perhaps you thought it didn't exist.