"I will set us all free". What does that mean?

[matrix123mko]

Leave the poor little mass murdering psychopath alone, she just wants peace!

I guess Genn doesn't want peace then. Does this make him mass murdering psychopath? Yes. He doesn't care about lifes of all the soldiers that would die in pointless war. He doesn't care about Legion invasion. He will sacrifice everything for vengeance.

[Combatbutler]

This is Sylvanas current character

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fand...wiki/Kaecilius

[telygroar]

She want to break teh cicle of life/death I think. Basically, everyone stagnate and everyone immortal...

Remind me of the manga saihate no paladin, with the god of undeath, who in fact just want to save all the people, especially heros from dying, because he think it's a great injustice, and they need to keep their memories and body (rotten...) (plot twist : he's warped and the people stagnate for all eternity as almost puppet bound to his orders. BUT he's sincere when he say he want to help people, even if he kill them all, because they come to him, after all ?).

[Nihilist74]

I would imagine she means she will set us free from death but that seems redundant if there is an afterlife and characters that can rez people.

[Dremmech]

My guess (which is probably wrong) is that N’zoth actually survives AND wins, completely corrupting Azeroth beyond repair. I mean, this is the first time an Old God is completely free of any shackles...and we’re just gonna DBZ him to death? I don’t buy it. The only way for us to resist that corruption is for us all to die and venture into the Shadowlands. It would make sense that Azeroth is a “prison” to the voids corruption. Again, probably wrong. But speculation is fun.

[Aucald]

I don't think we know yet exactly what she means, but her general refrain sounds like she views the universe as a prison itself - and her whole schtick as of Shadowlands is about overturning the machinery that keeps the cycle of life and death running because the process itself is a prison for the soul of living beings. I highly doubt any sense of altruism is at play here, though; while Sylvanas has always been keen to gather the adulation of others her overriding goal has always been self-fulfillment or self-enrichment. She's out to turn the machinery of the universe to her own ends, damn the consequences for anyone else (quite literally as the case turns out).

[crusadernero]

Since Blizzard love just giving us little to no real answers to major lore stuff we are always left guessing.

Yeah Sylvanas has some kind plan. Yeah she is very strong now for some reason. Yeah she will save the world because of some weird unknown reason we dont get to hear or see about until the very end.

[AlmightyGerkin]

This. There is no hidden meaning or grand plan to save us all. It is simple. Being alive or undead is a curse. So she sets all free by killing us all. But being the fucking hypocrite that she is, she doesn't just kill herself to be free.

At least Emperor Vlad or Emperor Valkorion didn't try to justify their plans with some shit like this. They want to be immortal and rule over the world alone.

Isn’t that what she is doing though? Wanting to be immortal and rule azeroth without anyone trying to usurp her.

[Rustedsaint]

She’s gonna betray the death god and use stolen power to make a paradise for all undead

[Mehrunes]

No. I think then she would not have fed that many souls to the Maw in the first place.

There are a couple of things we know about Sylvanas.

She hates hope.
She hates the living.
She views her existence as torment.
She views the world as a prison.

That is because of her undead condition. She is trapped inside a rotting body, cut off from the cycle of life and death.

Think about how the Shadowlands work. Someone dies and comes before the Arbiter. That person has built up Anima in his life and is being sent to one of the zones of the Shadowlands. Here that person's anima nourishes the life there. His death brings new life and the circle is complete.

But she doesn't view her existence as torment. Her views on undeath changed a lot since the end of WotLK and now she considers it superior to being alive. She also doesn't rot. And there's nothing indicating she's cut off from the cycle of Shadowlands. She still went to Shadowlands after committing suicide.

[Gorsameth]

But she doesn't view her existence as torment. Her views on undeath changed a lot since the end of WotLK and now she considers it superior to being alive. She also doesn't rot. And there's nothing indicating she's cut off from the cycle of Shadowlands. She still went to Shadowlands after committing suicide.

"Despite all that I taught them they still clung to hope, to life. They will learn the truth, along with the rest" Sylvanas talking about the Forsaken during the final Horde Loyalist cutscene in 8.2.5

She might not see existence as torment anymore, she certainly doesn't seem happy with life, or undeath.

[Maxilian]

I think she want to end "Death" and create a world where noone dies, though i doubt she will be successful, mostly because i can't imagine such world

[Mehrunes]

"Despite all that I taught them they still clung to hope, to life. They will learn the truth, along with the rest" Sylvanas talking about the Forsaken during the final Horde Loyalist cutscene in 8.2.5

She might not see existence as torment anymore, she certainly doesn't seem happy with life, or undeath.

Given how she's virtually immortal and that, unlike other Forsaken (even after their retcon) she doesn't rot or suffer from any other wear and tear of her body, I take it that her whole nihilistic "nothing lasts" shtick from BfA refers to the Shadowlands. Perhaps her Val'kyr supply dwindling and other attempts at securing the way to get out of wild Genn attacks or he boiler blowing up in her place not panning out made her shift her focus away from "how to prevent going into the Shadowlands that suck" to "what can be done to make it not suck (just in case)". Especially with something during Legion causing the entire Shadowlands to go out of whack and making it even worse. After all, the Dark Ranger that died in Darkshore who went all "oh, so this is what Sylvanas wanted to save us from" most likely didn't refer to angry Night Elves.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

My guess would be Azeroth really is sort of like a prison that limits everyone's powers and potential. Only Sylvanas has gone to the other side and made a bargain with the devil (Jailer) which allowed her to break her limits. My take is she wants the same fate for everyone, to allow everyone on Azeroth a chance to reach beyond their potentials. She wants to share this divine gift kinda like Dagoth Ur from Morrowind. But like Wesker from RE5, She also wants to rule over this new potential super race. So in conclusion, she wants everyone to have that chance to prove they could break their limits. Those that can't get pass their limits don't deserve to live and those that managed to ascend pass their limits will be worthy enough to be her champions/servants in the new reality she plans to create. In the official Shadowland site, it's stated that we will uncover a plot to unmake all of reality in this expansion.

[Shelly]

We need to see exactly what is in store for us with the ending of 8.3, but here's what we do know:

Sylvanas is in league with death. She doesn't care who dies, she just wants people to die. She has been since her "suicide" from the top of Icecrown and all her actions since have furthered the cause of death.
- attacked and used the plague in Gilneas
- assisted in the sacking of Orgrimmar
- betrayed both the horde and the alliance at the Broken Shore
- used the plague in the siege of Lordaeron
- burned Teldrassil down
- engineered the release of N'Zoth

At this point her biggest failure in pursuing a doctrine of death is in taking up the challenge from Saurfang.

Here's the other thing we know, there's pretty much no one out there in the universe. In the Astromancer fight in Nighthold we see a vision of countless worlds corrupted and taken by both the Burning Legion and by the Void. This also goes back to the Burning Crusade when in the jail dungeon (can't remember the name) the last boss is an old god servant that says "Not even the mighty legion can stand against us."

Sylvanas is only interested in Death. She's the premier death cultist and all her aims and needs are to free us all from our mortal coil.

In all likelihood our triumph over N'Zoth is what forces her hand to shatter the veil and bring us directly to the maw.

It's also implied that the Helm of Domination contains a fragment of the power of the Jailer, which is what allows the Scourge to bring forth deathly entities into Azeroth's corporeal plane. Sundering the helm then rips open that gateway to/through the cold dark.

Does make one wonder exactly what KJ was thinking when he made the armor.

[Count Zero]

She's going to break whatever is funneling all souls into the Maw

[OpieOP]

Problem with "She just want us all dead" is the SL opening itself. Why not just kill everyone without opening it? She did well before. And how the opening of SL can help her kill us all qucklier if by the opening of that SL she just allowed us to come inside and in routine way fuck the Maw and later the Jailor.

Something isnt right there. Its not just "kill em all" intention for sure. If it was that simple, she would just kill us all instead of opening the gate for all of us to come inside and fuck with the place where all souls came.

Maybe she just opened it to let some minions of her 'Partner' spill over into Azeroth.
Or perhaps she just wanted to bait Horde and Alliance into the Shadowlands, you know the factions that are both more than a little bit pissed - what they don't know is that they would just walk right into her trap and become stuck in the Maw so they can easily feed her new sugar daddy.

So yeah there's probably a noble meaning in her actions, its not like there are more than a few hints that she's evil, like backstabbing her own faction, backstabbing her supporters after they lost their value, or even other 'Villains' calling her out.

[Varitok]

She should have stayed dead at ICC.

[Gorsameth]

She's going to break whatever is funnelling all souls into the Maw

Her pact with the Jailer and her power increasing by all the souls being funnelled into the Maw more likely means she is the cause of it, rather then trying to fix it.

Her goal has been as much death as possible because those souls go the Maw and increase her power.

- - - Updated - - -

We need to see exactly what is in store for us with the ending of 8.3, but here's what we do know:

Sylvanas is in league with death. She doesn't care who dies, she just wants people to die. She has been since her "suicide" from the top of Icecrown and all her actions since have furthered the cause of death.
- attacked and used the plague in Gilneas
- assisted in the sacking of Orgrimmar
- betrayed both the horde and the alliance at the Broken Shore
- used the plague in the siege of Lordaeron
- burned Teldrassil down
- engineered the release of N'Zoth

At this point her biggest failure in pursuing a doctrine of death is in taking up the challenge from Saurfang.

Here's the other thing we know, there's pretty much no one out there in the universe. In the Astromancer fight in Nighthold we see a vision of countless worlds corrupted and taken by both the Burning Legion and by the Void. This also goes back to the Burning Crusade when in the jail dungeon (can't remember the name) the last boss is an old god servant that says "Not even the mighty legion can stand against us."

Sylvanas is only interested in Death. She's the premier death cultist and all her aims and needs are to free us all from our mortal coil.

In all likelihood our triumph over N'Zoth is what forces her hand to shatter the veil and bring us directly to the maw.

It's also implied that the Helm of Domination contains a fragment of the power of the Jailer, which is what allows the Scourge to bring forth deathly entities into Azeroth's corporeal plane. Sundering the helm then rips open that gateway to/through the cold dark.

Does make one wonder exactly what KJ was thinking when he made the armor.

She no longer needed the Horde and abandoned them. To me this indicates she was planning to go to the Shadowlands since atleast the Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0

She likely doesn't care if N'Zoth wins or we do. Either way the Maw is further fed by tons of souls and she will do whatever she aims to do in the Shadowlands.

[mickybrighteyes]

It's because she is a psycho who believes the world is a prison, so sending everyone to the afterlife would be freeing them from the evil world that is such a cruel prison.

It's almost like psychos have a twisted view of reality.

or... now bear with me on this...

there's actually more going on than the stories made known.

I mean killing everyone in some self actualized prophecy that life is pain is more easily done than literally ripping open the fabric of reality and physically moving into the planar realms of death.