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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    You act as people are going around just punching people.
    That's what the OP encourages and people started arguing with me because I said extrajudicial violence is bad.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    That's what the OP encourages and people started arguing with me because I said extrajudicial violence is bad.
    I absolutely am fine with people punching Nazis. Nazis are indefensibly evil. This whole "other groups" nonsense you keep spouting, however is just about the worst case of whataboutism outside of the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I absolutely am fine with people punching Nazis. Nazis are indefensibly evil. This whole "other groups" nonsense you keep spouting, however is just about the worst case of whataboutism outside of the GOP.
    Nope, people feel like that about communists here in South Korea. Should we encourage extrajudicial violence against them?

    You'd also do well to check up what whataboutism actually is. Saying that extrajudicial violence is unacceptable, no matter which group is targeted, isn't whataboutism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Nope, people feel like that about communists here in South Korea. Should we encourage extrajudicial violence against them?

    You'd also do well to check up what whataboutism actually is. Saying that extrajudicial violence is unacceptable, no matter which group is targeted, isn't whataboutism.
    So, someone's attacking you and a schoolbus full of children behind you, armed with a knife.

    Are you saying using some "extrajudicial violence" to halt the attack is "unacceptable"? You should just let him stab you and the kids to death?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Nope, people feel like that about communists here in South Korea. Should we encourage extrajudicial violence against them?

    You'd also do well to check up what whataboutism actually is. Saying that extrajudicial violence is unacceptable, no matter which group is targeted, isn't whataboutism.
    But Communist don't have a platform of subjugation, exiling/dislodging, and extermination of minorities like Nazis do. The Nazi platform is all built around White supremacy and the subjugation of minorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    But Communist don't have a platform of subjugation, exiling/dislodging, and extermination of minorities like Nazis do. The Nazi platform is all built around White supremacy and the subjugation of minorities.
    They just have a history of mass murder, hunting down dissidents and otherwise hurting people. But it's just bad if it's minorities that are targeted, if it's the majority population or any group considered privileged it's totally not a problem, that's fine then, right?

    Extrajudicial violence against them is as unacceptable against extrajudicial violence towards anyone else. You should make no exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    But Communist don't have a platform of subjugation, exiling/dislodging, and extermination of minorities
    Yet all of this happened in the Soviet Union and China.

    inb4 the that's not real communism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    This is from a Tweet
    Original sauce.

    Anyway, can't say I didn't indulge in a bit of schadenfreude at this, but Spencer's been pretty much irrelevant for a while now, except when the MSM wants a dancing monkey for a hit piece. Nick Fuentes has done more just recently by siccing his fans on Seb Gorka & Charlie Kirk than Spencer ever did - assuming you're in favour of overthrowing the cuckservative establishment, that is :P .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Nope, people feel like that about communists here in South Korea. Should we encourage extrajudicial violence against them?

    You'd also do well to check up what whataboutism actually is. Saying that extrajudicial violence is unacceptable, no matter which group is targeted, isn't whataboutism.
    If your argument is based on the SK communists then it's fundamentally flawed.

    The animosity thrown at Neo Nazis has nothing to do with political ideologies. Hell, the Nazis of today barely have a unifying political ideology beyond white nationalism.

    They are an existential to anyone who doesn't align with their white nationalists rhetoric.

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    Can someone explain all this to me? I know who Spencer is, but thats about it... like a TLDR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    The animosity thrown at Neo Nazis has nothing to do with political ideologies.
    Riiiiiiight. Do you really believe that yourself?

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    So? That doesn't justify extrajudicial violence against them. People feel the same about other groups, as I've said.

    Take Ilbe and their hatred for feminists, should extrajudicial violence against them be encouraged?
    I mean, we had a march not too long ago where Nazis were marching the streets yelling "1 million more" in reference to the Holocaust. Thats a threat, so yeah I will turn my cheek when people justify violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Riiiiiiight. Do you really believe that yourself?
    What do they agree on besides white nationalism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    What do they agree on besides white nationalism?
    Bitchin' fashion.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    What do they agree on besides white nationalism?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

    If they don't fit this, they are not neo-nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

    If they don't fit this, they are not neo-nazis.
    Did you read that definition on that page?

    Groups that share views in regards to white nationalism.

    The term neo-Nazism can also refer to the ideology of these movements, which may borrow elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, anti-communism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, anti-Romanyism, antisemitism, up to initiating the Fourth Reich. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is the incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler.
    The only semi-functional political views you can extrapolate Is preferential authoritarianism and anti-communism because that's they only way they can assume power. There is no political consensus beyond that. You can't govern a country just off white nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Did you read that definition on that page?

    Groups that share views in regards to white nationalism.



    The only semi-functional political views you can extrapolate Is preferential authoritarianism and anti-communism because that's they only way they can assume power. There is no political consensus beyond that. You can't govern a country just off white nationalism.
    Did you read it? It's not white nationalism. If a group is a white nationalist group, they are not neo-nazis. They are white supremacists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Did you read it? It's not white nationalism. If a group is a white nationalist group, they are not neo-nazis. They are white supremacists.
    OK so you obviously didn't read the page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Can someone explain all this to me? I know who Spencer is, but thats about it... like a TLDR?
    It's a couple of minutes of audio released by Milo of Spencer shouting a lot, bashing blacks and Jews, whining, and basically being an open white supremacist. Pretty funny given he tries to appear much more suave and well mannered, it'll hopefully be the final nail in his coffin career-wise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    If they don't fit this, they are not neo-nazis.
    Jonah Goldberg* in Liberal Fascism traced this tactic back to old Joe Stalin himself. "Label everything we don't like right-wing / fascism" has worked remarkably well for decades now.

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    For starters, it is simply a fact that, in the 1920s, fascism and fascistic ideas were very popular on the American left. 'That Fascism stunk in the nostrils of the New Masses/ John Patrick Diggins writes of the legendary hard-left journal, "may have been true after 1930. For the radicals of the twenties the whiff from Italy carried no foul ideological odor." There was a reason for this. In many respects, the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like a pretty good idea. Or to be fair: many simply thought (in the spirit of Deweyan Pragmatism) that it sounded like a worthwhile "experiment." Moreover, while the odor of Italian Fascism eventually grew rancid in the nostrils of both the American left and the American right (considerably later than 1930. by the way), the reasons for their revulsion did not for the most part stem from profound ideological differences. Rather; the American left essentially picked a different team - the Red team - and as such swore fealty to communist talking points about fascism. As for the non-communist liberal left, while the word "fascism" grew in disrepute, many fascistic ideas and impulses endured.

    It was around this time that Stalin stumbled on a brilliant tactic of simply labeling all inconvenient ideas and movements fascist. Socialists and progressives aligned with Moscow were called socialists or progressives, while socialists disloyal or opposed to Moscow were called fascists. Stalin's theory of social fascism rendered even Franklin Roosevelt a fascist according to loyal communists everywhere. And let us recall that Leon Trotsky was marked for death for allegedly plotting a "fascist coup." While this tactic was later deplored by many sane American left-wingers, it is amazing how many useful idiots fell for it at the time, and how long its intellectual half-life has been.
    *I'm not exactly a fan of him & NRO, but even a broken clock is right on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    OK so you obviously didn't read the page.
    Yeah, I have. White supremacism =/= Neo-nazism.

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