Think we can expect any major announcement for Shadowlands?

[Thelxi]

I wouldnt hold my breath for anything more than what was teased.

[Nevcairiel]

Housing wouldn't be bad for the game. And they can't have learned that lesson, because 1) we never had housing and 2) garrisons weren't a bad feature. The lack of content in WoD was. The existence of garrisons didn't cause a lack of content. It was interesting content in itself and the expansion would have been even worse without it.

Just because you keep denying that Garrisons were Housing doesn't mean a thing. They directly came out and said that it was a bad concept of have everyone be in single player instances instead of in a city, housing would make this worse, and not only for one expansion, presumably for ever, since people would expect to keep their houses.

A new feature which has the potential of a permanent impact on the world and player behavior has a lot of potential to go wrong, as such, its dead.

[How dare you]

Necromancer don't fit the bright world of WoW, they are too dark.

And they have too much overlap with DKs and Warlocks.

Pick one.

Never a class they are going to make as a "hero", the only necromancers ever seen in Warcraft were villains.

Dude, Death Knights. People literally said the same thing about Death Knights.

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Just because you keep denying that Garrisons were Housing doesn't mean a thing. They directly came out and said that it was a bad concept of have everyone be in single player instances instead of in a city, housing would make this worse, and not only for one expansion, presumably for ever, since people would expect to keep their houses.

A new feature which has the potential of a permanent impact on the world and player behavior has a lot of potential to go wrong, as such, its dead.

They were a form of housing but not the kind of player housing that people wanted, and it lacked many things people wanted from housing, which is why people still want actual housing and will continue to ask for it.

[mvaliz]

Creating a new expansion is NOT maintenance mode. MM is just fixing bugs/problems and maybe put out a little patch every now and then, not making a full two year expansion.

It's nice you disagree, but don't quibble on what exact wording means... debate my point that we believe the game is in [choose the one of your liking]:

• "Reduced Production"
• "Limited Development"
• "Truncated designed"
• "Minimized Generation"
• "Low-Priority Assembly"
• "Condensed Origination"
• "Abridged Formulation"
• "Shortened Construction"
• "Abbreviated Content"
• "Economized Direction"
• "Lessened Manufactured"


You're also wrong in calling it a "full" 2-year expansion, as clearly a great many accurately disagree with your assertion of that by its mere absence of new race/class/number of zones/ect.

[Alcsaar]

So, I've been thinking... While I think the SL announcement was pretty okay, the presentation itself didn't blow me away.

Things I was expecting, that didn't get announced / not happening:
- Cross-faction gameplay: While I never expected them to fully go away with factions and their tensions, this would be the perfect time to make this happen;
- Housing: long, long overdue. I'm under the impression that blizzard already can do this, but is saving the feature as a panic button for when WoW is truly fading. (edit: inb4 someone "Garrison was WoW housing")
- New class: Well, honestly I was on the hypetrain for a possible Tinker, but hey;

These things in particular are pretty big to not warrant a Blizzcon announcement, so I don't think they are happening anyways for Shadowlands... On the other side, I'm also thinking if we can expect any - major - selling point to be unveiled until beta.

Honestly, seems like the things you were hoping for were pretty unrealistic expectations.

Cross faction is probably never going to happen.

Player housing likely is never going to happen. As Blizzard has stated before on this topic, they don't want the game to turn into this environment where everyone is just in their houses all the time and no one is in the cities anymore. If you add houses, then people will want them to serve a purpose, that purpose is usually crafting benches, stuff like that. This takes people away from cities, which makes cities feel much less populated.

New class: It probably should have happened, but a tinker had absolutely zero reason to be introduced in this expansion. It was either going to be a necromancer or a dark ranger. However, take solace in the fact that we will almost certainly see a new class next expansion as a result, and necromancer and possibly dark ranger both just lost their only opportunity to be thematically introduced to WoW for the next 5 years or so, but we might see a tech-themed expansion before then.


The ONLY HOPE I have right now is talent/class revamps, and this is questionable. Right now classes are in an awful place, but blizzard said they don't want to shake things up like they did in Legion/BFA/whatever, so are they happy with how classes are?

They need to do a rework but at the same time people are congratulating them for making no changes despite the fact that the classes all play terribly right now. If they don't make any changes we're just getting the same classes back that we had in BFA, that doesn't make any sense to me. Did people like the classes in BFA?

[Usernameforforums]

It wasn't real housing.

But it was. You owned a plot of land, earned achievements are shown through customizable plots, and you could choose want buildings you wanted.

Yeah, it wasn’t as in depth as eso or ff14 player housing but not calling player housing won’t do any justice.

[Trend]

I've already specifically told you that you are not the authority on what "Maintenance Mode" means, especially in regards to WoW. Is it just fun to be pedantic or what?

Son, that's nice you think naming conventions somehow change the lack of what they're providing - the point I'm making is that they're NEVER doing a Legion/Wrath/Pandaria sized expansion ever again. You can attach whatever name you like, my point still stands. And you know what? other's actually also agree with me.

Well grandpa, if you want to sound dumb because it's too hard to look up what a term actually means, feel free. But whenever I see you using "maintenance mode" in a completely dumbass way I will continue to point it out. You are clearly a lost cause but others may not be. If I can save one person from sharing in your ignorance of software development it will be worth it.

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Creating a new expansion is NOT maintenance mode. MM is just fixing bugs/problems and maybe put out a little patch every now and then, not making a full two year expansion.

He's already specifically been informed in other threads that he is using an established term completely incorrectly. He just wants to be inflammatory.

[Brocksley]

I think they had to cut a new class, which was going to be either dark rangers or tinkers due to how much they were built up in bfa, but then bfa sucked so hard they had to divert resources from shadowlands to try and patch bfa along. They had to do massive cuts in shadowlands and push the latest release date out way past the expected august one.

[GreenJesus]

There is no way to save it. Other than allowing them to group together. People play the faction where their friends are. And once any faction begins to wither away, there is no steady income of players there. Situation is going to be worse and worse because at this point, anyone interested in any challenge will pick a horde.

Vulpera was like final nail to coffin.

Also don't think it's not already in game, you can queue cross faction to BGs. So its kinda stupid you can't do that in PVE.

Lol imagine thinking a furry race is a major factor on faction balance. It would be pretty pathetic if people honestly switched races to vulpera when we haven't even seen Vulpera really do anything lore wise besides getting killed and asking us for help.

[Marro]

No, you get recycled abilities, recycled features and a dumb story.

It does all just seem recycled, I was so disappointed and confused after the features trailer. Usually I preorder right after an expac reveal... Not this time!

[wrynil]

Jesus Fucking Christ that is amazing!

It truely is! You ought to let him know.

[kaminaris]

Lol imagine thinking a furry race is a major factor on faction balance. It would be pretty pathetic if people honestly switched races to vulpera when we haven't even seen Vulpera really do anything lore wise besides getting killed and asking us for help.

Well you say "furry" but thats a perspective someone intoxicated with too much inappropriate porn. Reality is majority people will simply think them as "cute".

[Relapses]

If they aren't dumb, they have already seen the backlash from their bland expansion reveal. Hopefully, they will patch in new class asap, to cut the losses now. But knowing the prideful Ion (whose only achievement so far is presiding over the massive retail MAU loss) they probably wouldn't do it.

Rofl, "just patch in a new class."

Oh my god. Thank you, I haven't had a laugh that hard in ages.

[Shakana]

This expansion is like the new blue print for how much they can get away with NOT giving us in a new expansion.

"Do we really need to give them something new? We have sooooo much to fix, let's just patch it up and call it a new expansion."
"Good idea! You deserve more money!"
"=D"

Because i feel like it:

"Do we really need to give a new class with a broken system? Why not fix our shit and give them on a new expansion?"
"Stupid idea blizzard! Give me a new class and i forget stuff needs fixing and get broken on a new expansion"
"D: EZ"

<3 LOVE YOU BTW

[Kyphael]

Because i feel like it:

"Do we really need to give a new class with a broken system? Why not fix our shit and give them on a new expansion?"
"Stupid idea blizzard! Give me a new class and i forget stuff needs fixing and get broken on a new expansion"
"D: EZ"

<3 LOVE YOU BTW

I love our current classes! Feels like 36 classes. =P If it were up to me, we would have gotten FOUR new classes! Necromancer, Dark Ranger, Bard, and Tinker! The more the better! Prune the shit out of everything to give us 16 classes, and increase the number of specs with new specs as well! My thirst for variety cannot be quenched!

[Shakana]

I love our current classes! Feels like 36 classes. =P If it were up to me, we would have gotten FOUR new classes! Necromancer, Dark Ranger, Bard, and Tinker! The more the better! Prune the shit out of everything to give us 16 classes, and increase the number of specs with new specs as well! My thirst for variety cannot be quenched!

Ye maybe you should go work to blizzard to balance them all out ahahah

P.S.- We will all make you a statue in the end and say "Kyphael for blizz president"

[Muajin76]

So, I've been thinking... While I think the SL announcement was pretty okay, the presentation itself didn't blow me away.

Things I was expecting, that didn't get announced / not happening:
- Cross-faction gameplay: While I never expected them to fully go away with factions and their tensions, this would be the perfect time to make this happen;
- Housing: long, long overdue. I'm under the impression that blizzard already can do this, but is saving the feature as a panic button for when WoW is truly fading. (edit: inb4 someone "Garrison was WoW housing")
- New class: Well, honestly I was on the hypetrain for a possible Tinker, but hey;

These things in particular are pretty big to not warrant a Blizzcon announcement, so I don't think they are happening anyways for Shadowlands... On the other side, I'm also thinking if we can expect any - major - selling point to be unveiled until beta.

I honestly think blizz has some lvl of surprise in store for shadowlands.
Have faith peoples!

[Teekey]

I honestly think blizz has some lvl of surprise in store for shadowlands.
Have faith peoples!

I bet if you went back 2 years, you'd see posts saying this:

I honestly think blizz has some lvl of surprise in store for Battle for Azeroth.

Have faith peoples!

[chrisisvacant]

Blizzard should hire some of the commenters on MMO-C as they write some of the best headcanon fiction around.

[Augusta138]

and no matter how bad it is, sheep will always buy it and defend it.

Personal opinion, so this isnt even a valid answer in this topic.