From a dev interview: "The Shadowlands is specifically made for mortal beings."

[Cizr]

The dungeon journal for Kael'thas says: "Kael'thas is a brilliant tactician, a powerful warrior, and his veins burn with limitless fel magic." Sounds very similar to demon hunters, who we know function the same way as demons.

Only some DH function the same way as demons, Illidan comments on that in DH starting zone when you decide to sacrifice yourself instead of that other demon hunter.

Lord Illidan Stormrage says: Interesting. Like me, you have an immortal demon soul. You cannot truly die. Instead, your soul will make its way to the Twisting Nether. There, you will wait until you can find a suitable body to inhabit.

[ReVnX]

Don't they use the term 'mortal' in game for just any non-God-Titan-deity individual irrespective of their mortal/immortal status?

I mean the titans call us mortals, but they can be killed aswell

[SirKickBan]

Where did you get that from?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the Legion lore the Prime Naaru were some of the first beings made during the great ordering of the cosmos, at the same time as the void lords were being made. Before this point, nothing existed, except.. -As we've been told in pre-Shadowlands lore, the Shadowlands. -It's unclear if demons were made at the same time as the Naaru Prime(s?) and Void Lords, or afterwards, as they're just described as being made from the intermingling of Light and Void energies, and then somewhere down the line life and the Titans come into being, but either way, it seems like the WoW-verse had a realm of the dead well before there was anything that could become dead.

[Vakna]

I mean the titans call us mortals, but they can be killed aswell

The Titans can't die from age related problems, that's the definition of Immortal that WoW uses. A good example is that Night Elves were immortal until the 2nd invasion of the Legion.

The Wild Gods are also immortal aspects of nature, but yet their spirits go to the Shadowlands when they die.

[MrLachyG]

"The Shadowlands is specifically made for mortal beings. Demons souls do not go there."

Then why do the Wild Gods and other spirits of nature go there?

I feel like they are tripping over their own feet with new lore before they even get a chance to release it.

the actual quote is:

"Demons are born of the Twisting Nether; normally, a demon killed on Azeroth or otherwise outside of its home realm will go back to the Twisting Nether, eventually coalesce, and come back. Sargeras tried to shortcut that process by using Argus as a resurrection engine to speed up that process. That same principle applies to other creatures of various realms (Shadow, Light, Fire, etc). The Shadowlands is specifically for mortal beings to go through the process of Death."

so basically anything that dies on Azeroth, with the exceptions of demons, titans and old gods (I presume Titans and Old Gods would go back to a different place), comes to the Shadowlands

[ReVnX]

The Titans can't die from age related problems, that's the definition of Immortal that WoW uses. A good example is that Night Elves were immortal until the 2nd invasion of the Legion.

The Wild Gods are also immortal aspects of nature, but yet their spirits go to the Shadowlands when they die.

Aren't Draenei immortal then? Or just extremely long-lived?

Velen is considered immortal...

[Jaggler]

I think I slowly begin to understand, what your actual point is. Could you link the dev interview? If it isn't someone involved in the narrative it could basically be a very general statement, that rings true in most cases. It would probably be more apt to say that "beings, that aren't beholden to the circle of life and death (f.e. Old Gods, Demons, maybe Naaru? etc.) basically things, that don't really "die", are excluded from the Shadowlands.

[Vakna]

Aren't Draenei immortal then? Or just extremely long-lived?

Velen is considered immortal...

From what I know Draenei are just incredibly long lived, like 40-50k years lifespan. Velen is one of those special cases where a mortal becomes immortal because of their connection to a higher power. Velen has such a strong connection to the Light he's able to use his essence to cleanse a fallen Naaru, that kind of infusion would likely make someone immortal, just like Illidan and his demon soul just from another element.

[Weatherwax]

"The Shadowlands is specifically made for mortal beings. Demons souls do not go there."

Then why do the Wild Gods and other spirits of nature go there?

I feel like they are tripping over their own feet with new lore before they even get a chance to release it.

You still think they give a rat's ass about lore? They said Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination were forged in Shadowlands even though everyone knows they were made by the Legion!

[Revamp Man]

So I am just going to say that according to the dialogue in the demon Hunter starter area it is not that the wild gods are immortal or are not mortal souls

According to demon Hunter daddy himself it is very rare for someone to have an immortal soul so I would think that maybe the wild gods that we see in the shadowlands are ones that had mortal souls

There is no real retcon here essentially it's just saying yeah this being was super duper high-level almost god tier but in reality they were still mortal

The demon comment also makes sense because demons don't really die but they returned to the burning throne and get a new body unless they are killed in a place with enough fell energy in which case their soul is destroyed

A Titan is really weird in that aspect that they are immortal because their souls still exist

Sono retcon but I also hate every interview that talks about lore especially when the team does not know where they want to go yet so in an interview it is very dumb to say definitive statements

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I think I slowly begin to understand, what your actual point is. Could you link the dev interview? If it isn't someone involved in the narrative it could basically be a very general statement, that rings true in most cases. It would probably be more apt to say that "beings, that aren't beholden to the circle of life and death (f.e. Old Gods, Demons, maybe Naaru? etc.) basically things, that don't really "die", are excluded from the Shadowlands.

It is from one of the interviews posted on the front page in the Roundup

Strangely both of the interviews with those people just sound s*** and like they try to use PR talk but forget how to speak properly

[Jaggler]

You still think they give a rat's ass about lore? They said Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination were forged in Shadowlands even though everyone knows they were made by the Legion!

We believed the Nathrezim forged it, which could still be true, if the blacksmith that forged the sword and armor was a Nathrezim, who found his way into the Shadowlands (they were the OG Necromancers after all).

[TickTickTick]

It's beautiful how many inconsistencies and plot holes this expack introduces. There is no specific formula of how one's soul ends and apparently anyone can capture souls and Shadowloands dont give a fuck. What about orc ancestors? How were they able to commune with them? Or how were we able to commune with Uther's soul?

This whole soul collection feels like a Pokemon Go tbh. I'm surprised they didn't announce yet another artifact which would be powered by Soul Power. We would collect the souls and at the end of expack the amount of them would become unstable and destroy SL.

[Revamp Man]

It's beautiful how many inconsistencies and plot holes this expack introduces. There is no specific formula of how one's soul ends and apparently anyone can capture souls and Shadowloands dont give a fuck. What about orc ancestors? How were they able to commune with them? Or how were we able to commune with Uther's soul?

This whole soul collection feels like a Pokemon Go tbh. I'm surprised they didn't announce yet another artifact which would be powered by Soul Power. We would collect the souls and at the end of expack the amount of them would become unstable and destroy SL.

The problem has happened recently because a certain elf with anger problems made a deal with a certain octopus lady to try and as far as we know buying and the valkyr mother but they say that the true purpose might not be what we exactly expected so I'm guessing that it wasn't to bind her to give her access to more valkyr but to bind her so she could get to the shadowlands with her help or so she could redirect souls to the jailer

[Dakhath]

What do Demon Hunters do in the Shadowlands?

Hope that nobody remembers that they have a demon soul now and thus aren't allowed in the Shadowlands.

[TickTickTick]

The problem has happened recently because a certain elf with anger problems made a deal with a certain octopus lady to try and as far as we know buying and the valkyr mother but they say that the true purpose might not be what we exactly expected so I'm guessing that it wasn't to bind her to give her access to more valkyr but to bind her so she could get to the shadowlands with her help or so she could redirect souls to the jailer

Ah yes, another 100D chess by Sylvanas, too bad all the other characters in the history of Warcraft werent able to develop their brains in a way Sylvanas did, that cheeky mastermind.

[Jaggler]

It's beautiful how many inconsistencies and plot holes this expack introduces. There is no specific formula of how one's soul ends and apparently anyone can capture souls and Shadowloands dont give a fuck. What about orc ancestors? How were they able to commune with them? Or how were we able to commune with Uther's soul?

This whole soul collection feels like a Pokemon Go tbh. I'm surprised they didn't announce yet another artifact which would be powered by Soul Power. We would collect the souls and at the end of expack the amount of them would become unstable and destroy SL.

But all that stuff isn't something new, we always knew that the shadowlands existed. It's not some new place that was just introduced. Apparently it's possible to summon spirits out of the shadowlands for a certain amount of time.

The Shadowlands "give a fuck" about souls not going, where they are supposed to, that's why Bolvar and Bwonsamdi aren't best friends with Sylvanas who funnels a lot of Souls in the "broken death machine". It's why the covenants ally with us, to return the Anima from the maw to them.

The problem has happened recently because a certain elf with anger problems made a deal with a certain octopus lady to try and as far as we know buying and the valkyr mother but they say that the true purpose might not be what we exactly expected so I'm guessing that it wasn't to bind her to give her access to more valkyr but to bind her so she could get to the shadowlands with her help or so she could redirect souls to the jailer

We don't know yet, what caused the Machine to be broken, or since when the Maw consumes all souls. We just know it must have happened sometime between TBC and Legion or BfA. I really doubt Helya or Sylvanas have the Power to basically break one of the fundamental forces of the universe.

[FlasKamel]

Doesn't this mean dragon aspects would end up there too after Cata?

[Mehrunes]

The reason why they went with this mess is because "no one went to Shadowlands before" conflicted with the "revelation" of "Dreadlords made the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne in the Shadowlands". So they needed an "lel, demons don't count" out.

[TickTickTick]

The Shadowlands "give a fuck" about souls not going, where they are supposed to, that's why Bolvar and Bwonsamdi aren't best friends with Sylvanas who funnels a lot of Souls in the "broken death machine". It's why the covenants ally with us, to return the Anima from the maw to them.

Conviniently, they dont have a problem with the Legion, Odyn, Helya, Draenei (Auchindon), LK from the Frostmourne era. At least Sylvanas' ways still made the souls travel to Shadowlands, there are many characters / factions who keep the souls for themselves.

[Palapop]

Look... I truly love Warcraft universe, franchise and all that.... BUT..... They (blizzard) have gone FULL RETARD with lore and "rules" within lore. They screwed it BIG TIME....