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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    God of war

    oh look, items igname you get by paying real money

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    You give them an inch, they take the fucking country.
    slippery slope mate, not how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    PoE has tons of microtransactions. I don't see a problem with having some cosmetic mictrotransactions in this type of game. It incentives blizzard to continue to support the game. Otherwise they abandon it like they did with d3
    people praise Poe
    "Its just a free game"
    i much rather have a game that costs 40$ upfront and then some 1-5$ microtransactions
    then a free game that has microtransactions that cost up to 12,500$
    and for those wonjdering yes thats legit.
    here is one going on that is 480$



    not on the website anymore but

    and they do this alot btw, like every year, its not a "Once thing" its literally almost every year

    finding the founder pack 1 sec

    there it is, so if you wanted the eternal rhoa pet, and weapon effect? 1500$
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    Cosmetic MTX is just like a donate button with reward, there is no prestige with shop items. And if more people donate the more content we will get because the game is making more money which is good for investors so they let more money be spent in more development of that game making more content for you.

    Those guys who buy items in the shop indirectly pay for your content ingame.

    After all, games are still just a business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarious Tea View Post
    "because they all do" is a garbage reason.

    You and I both know that the ONLY reason games have microtransactions is greed, pure and simple.
    You mean "capitalism".

    Companies are intended and expected to charge as much money for products and services as the market will bear. That's how the system works.

    If you want to talk about the perils of capitalism, well, I'm a liberal market socialist, ideologically speaking. But that seems like it's a big reach from this particular issue.

    Yes, Blizzard wants to make as much money for shareholders as it can. That is its ethical obligation, and the intended purpose of any such company. It's like blaming a tiger for eating meat.


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    I`m all for MTX. Its a must have in a games like Diablo or POE. And there is not much difference. I don`t care much that POE is free, and i have to give 60$ for Diablo for example and then give more on Diablo. 60$ is nothing if we get a solid game that we can play for 5+ years to come with regular updates, new contents and so on.
    And to be completely fair, to really play POE end game, trading and so on, you need to spend at least 100$ if you want to stay for a while. You will need the stashes for sure.

    But like i said it if that mean = more content i`m 100% for it. No one demand you to buy MTX, they are just cosmetics, extra stashes is other thing, but you cant expect a free lunch right? If you wanna play game with regular new content and stuffs, you will have to paid for it.
    I will be even okay with a monthly fee if its like 5$ or 10$. Its nothing in the exchange of the fun we will get.

    I really hope they get monetization model, so they can earn money and support the game. I really want the game to be supported, but not just on words, but in reality.

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    PoE is kind of a bad example, because even though it's free, if you seriously want to play the game you pretty much have to buy a Currency and Map stash tab, and if you are into trading a Premium stash tab as well. And every league they add new garbage items that fill up your stash, only to release another stash tab that feels near mandatory a league later. I don't mind this, and I think it's quite an okay business model but let's not kid ourselves PoE is really free.

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    cosmetics, doesn't bother me

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    "It's an opportunity to have more options available"

    How about you just put all of the options in the fucking game?
    how about they just give you less options? if you dont like microtransactions. dont buy them. its not fucking difficult.

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    In Poe to fully play the game for longer than 1 league, you need at least this:
    Premium Stash Tam Bundle(atleast 6) = 200 coins
    Currency Stash Tab = 75 coins
    Map Stash Tab = 150 coins
    Essence Stash Tab = 40 coins
    Fragment Stash Tab = 75 coins
    Divination Stash Tab = 50 coins
    Premium Quad Stash Tab = 150 coins
    In total 740 coins which are around 75$.

    And as long as you play you will need probably more. And most POE items looks really bad. In Diablo i`m sure this is not the case.
    Every leagues comes with new packs from 60$ to 480$ that`s how they can support the game, earn money and pay their employees.
    Selling a game for 60$ is a just a single income. To support you need regular income, that`s how POE manage to stay so long in the business.
    And to the excuse but POE is Free, that`s why it have MTX to give regular features, Blizzard is way bigger company and every company cares about money, its absolutely normal. You are paying this 60$(probably) for the game you get at the start. They waste money and time to develop the game, of course they will charge for it.
    And if you have the game to be supported after that with regular updates outside of expansion, which of course will be charged again, they need to find a way to get money for the support. This is 100% normal. And if you expect else, i`m sorry but you are living a dream.
    Even a game like Last Epoch have Supporter Packs and if you want to play the game you have to buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Show me a case of a company selling pay-to-win upgrades through microtransactions, and I'll agree that's a bad gameplay model for consumers, but this is really specific to cases where you need to pay to win, not for cosmetics and not for "pay to progress faster" things like XP boosts. This also isn't the case with Diablo 4, as far as we know, and people have been arguing against the very concept of microtransactions as a monetization model, not pay-to-win mechanics.
    It's this kind of complacency that leads to games like Shadow of War or Assassin's Creed Odyssey where XP grind turns into a ginormous slog without paid XP boosts. Because hey, you don't actually need them to finish the game, you can always just grind for hours on end for the game to function as expected, with the devs deliberately designing things that way to make people buy their totally optional boosts.


    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post

    oh look, items igname you get by paying real money
    Would it kill you to actually research what you're posting? Those are pre-order bonuses and deluxe edition stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You mean "capitalism".

    Companies are intended and expected to charge as much money for products and services as the market will bear. That's how the system works.

    If you want to talk about the perils of capitalism, well, I'm a liberal market socialist, ideologically speaking. But that seems like it's a big reach from this particular issue.

    Yes, Blizzard wants to make as much money for shareholders as it can. That is its ethical obligation, and the intended purpose of any such company. It's like blaming a tiger for eating meat.
    Companies don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in a society. Excusing companies' greedily milking consumers dry is how you end up with epipens costing hundreds of dollars in US. Which creates a system that works wonders as far as ethics are concerned.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cairhiin View Post
    PoE is kind of a bad example, because even though it's free, if you seriously want to play the game you pretty much have to buy a Currency and Map stash tab, and if you are into trading a Premium stash tab as well. And every league they add new garbage items that fill up your stash, only to release another stash tab that feels near mandatory a league later. I don't mind this, and I think it's quite an okay business model but let's not kid ourselves PoE is really free.
    On top of that full 60 dollars price, Diablo 4 will also have standard expansions.
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    Gamers of today are spoiled kids, that think just because you give 60$ to a game, the company needs to give you servers to play the game with other players and they are obligates to you to give you content regularly.
    To me this is pathetic type of thinking.
    If you don`t like the MTX, don`t buy it, no one tells you to do, as no one tells you to play that game, you can jump on another.

    Most games of today are in the region of 40-60$, and most of them just give you a campaign and a single player experience. And that`s it. No more and no less. If you like it you will buy it.

    Games like Diablo 4 will give a huge campaign, a huge huge world to explore in a MULTIPLAYER on a big server with a lot of other players. It will give you plenty of items and contents, as well as end game replayability by highest level. Its gives you MMO content, World Bosses etc.
    This is for the price in the region of 60$. Even if we stop here games like Diablo gives you more compare to the others regular games. And games like Diablo also offer you a future expansion of this game, which mean you can fell inlove with the franchise and be your main game for many, many years to come.
    No one is obligated to anyone to support the game after its first release. If you want the game to be supported, you either going to pay for every new content that`s comes out, either have MTX and give money on good will and get something in exchange and support the game or obviously pay monthly fee.

    When POE comes out, the DEVS needs the game to be free, otherwise no one would buy it at that time, cause no one really knows much about GGG and about POE. Also POE nowadays are way different than POE at the starts.

    If we want the game to be supported and have big lifespan like POE for example, i gladly will pay 60$ for the game, and either pay monthly fee or buy MTX Supporter Packs to future support the game and get new content regularly.

    Even the DEVS tells you that back in the Diablo 3 time. They said D3 is not a MMORPG and they cant support it like WoW, because obviously doesn't give money back.

    What i want is a BIG, BIG game, Open World was the best thing a game to Evolve, and every game and genre needs to evolve so to stay alive and interesting, plenty of End Games, plenty of different things to do and plenty of regular contents to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Companies don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in a society. Excusing companies' greedily milking consumers dry is how you end up with epipens costing hundreds of dollars in US. Which creates a system that works wonders.
    As I've said at least twice, if you want to talk about throwing off capitalist economics in favor of a socialist system, we can have that discussion, but it's not really on-topic for this thread.

    Until that's the point we're at, we've got to deal with the normal function of capitalist economics, which involves maximizing profits.

    It's also really not fair to compare this to medical expenses, since when you need an epipen, you need it, or you'll likely die. Nobody needs Diablo 4. You'll be fine without it.

    If we weren't talking about pure entertainment luxuries, then I might be a little more critical. If we want to talk about the potential gains for society with a socialist model, I'm game for that chat, but it's not for this thread.

    On top of that full 60 dollars price, Diablo 4 will also have standard expansions.
    The idea that this is a "full price" is basically the problem.

    It ain't.

    It's a base price, for the basic model without any bells and whistles, all of which cost extra.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    On top of that full 60 dollars price, Diablo 4 will also have standard expansions.
    I missed the part where I mentioned Diablo 4. I merely stated, PoE isn't as free as people make it out to be. And almost every league a new stash tab gets introduced.

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    They are already planning expansions (obviously it's going to cost) while the game hasn't launched yet. Imagine my shock they do MTX
    S.H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRest4Wicked View Post
    As long as its cosmetic only, like Path of Exile, that's fine. Even better if it helps drive meaningful content updates that D3 lacked.
    PoE sells bank and reagent tabs that are incredibly important for this type of game. They aren't cheap either. Each tab is like 10 dollars at least. People keep ignoring this fact. PoE isn't a f2p game. You csnt play the game effectively without these extra tabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horbindr View Post
    makes you wonder why they make the grind take that long eh?
    Because people are different and some prefer it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    Not water but a desert or glass of wine.
    Both are free in any sane place that offer then included in the price of a dinner. Worked at restaurant and it would be madness to have people pay extra for a piece of cake or glass of wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    On top of that full 60 dollars price, Diablo 4 will also have standard expansions.
    And when you paid for this example you will get the content which are in them. But still they don`t need to support between the release of the base game till the expansion, you get that? In orders to get this regular updates and new content, they need to earn money from us, so they can get something in change for their support, otherwise what will they win by supporting game, except for the money they will waste? They also have server to maintain.

    The only way for them to support the game between the base game and the so call expansion is by either MTX, monthly fee or charge for every new content they put out, like 5$ for every new minor example(In POE loves to call them like that).

    Is it that hard to get it?

    P.P. And just by typing i get a new idea for monetization mode. To simply release a new lets said minor expansion every 3 months(just like poe is doing) and to charge in the region of 30-40$ for it.

    To be fair this will be best monetization mode, and the best way to keep the game alive, to support the game, so they can get their income and we can get regularly new contents and updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Companies don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in a society. Excusing companies' greedily milking consumers dry is how you end up with epipens costing hundreds of dollars in US. Which creates a system that works wonders.
    Do they force you to pay or play? No. People buy that bullshit because they want to. The companies are not the government, they can't milk you unless you let them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordlosh View Post
    And when you paid for this example you will get the content which are in them. But still they don`t need to support between the release of the base game till the expansion, you get that? In orders to get this regular updates and new content, they need to earn money from us, so they can get something in change for their support, otherwise what will they win by supporting game, except for the money they will waste? They also have server to maintain.

    The only way for them to support the game between the base game and the so call expansion is by either MTX, monthly fee or charge for every new content they put out, like 5$ for every new minor example(In POE loves to call them like that).

    Is it that hard to get it?
    Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 have been supported for years without mtx.
    S.H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliven View Post
    Both are free in any sane place that offer then included in the price of a dinner. Worked at restaurant and it would be madness to have people pay extra for a piece of cake or glass of wine.
    I've been to decent restaurants in 7 different countries, and none of them offered free desserts or wine. High-end places might offer you a quoted price for a full 5-course meal, including wine pairings, but then the price for those is included, not free.

    I have no idea where you live, but that's certainly not the standard practice, internationally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliven View Post
    Both are free in any sane place that offer then included in the price of a dinner. Worked at restaurant and it would be madness to have people pay extra for a piece of cake or glass of wine.
    What restaurants do you go to where wine and dessert is free? Let me know cause I'd love to go there.

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