And you use the same type of exaggeration to make your point. You specify that the .223 is a "Rifle Cartridge" but don't do the same for the .22 LR (Long Rifle). Sure it can be used in a handgun but so can the .223/5.56. .22LR is absolutely not powerful enough for coyotes unless you happen to be into animal cruelty.
The point being is that if they inflate such obvious information, then you know everything else is being painted as bad as they can make it.
Typical energy for .22LR is 200-250J with a 2g Bullet. Typical energy for 5.56mm NATO bullet is 1800J with a 4g Bullet. One is completely unlike the other despite a roughly similar bullet diameter.
Maybe NPR should've said military rifle cartridge in their description but that's a minor detail. The major detail which you're trying to distract us from is that Mexican drug cartels and other criminals use gun mules to legally purchase bulk weapons from American gun dealers. Any attempts to stop this is typically blocked by GOP politicians under the guise of "Freedom".
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The dude with the blond beard was the key in a scheme of ''let's invade Mexico to recover dubious debts'' (60 millions debt, of which 20 million was recovered, for an expenses of 800 million)
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Eh .223 is generally standard for a civilian weapon like the AR-15, sure you can get higher caliber but .223 is usually the most common.
However don't let the commentary about 'varmit caliber' fool you, it can and has been used to effectively hunt deer before.
Even more important it's more than effective enough against humans, and while .223 may not be military grade it's generally the caliber of choice for Police and SWAT carbines due to the combo of it being effective and not having to worry about over penetration
ARs do. AR15s do not. The article specified AR15.
For instance AR10 is 7.62/.308
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You are again providing incorrect information. Straw purchases are illegal
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To put it into perspective then:
.223/5.56 1800J
.308/7.62 3200J
30-06. 4000J
12 gauge shotgun 4500J
So again, 223/556 is not high caliber as stated and is not particularly high powered for a rifle
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Sure an excellent shot can kill a deer, but it's not particularly effective and generally cruel to the animal.
Here is a good reference for matching caliber to game
Why is there a conversation on guns being had in a thread about Mexico and being further derailed from the topic by a moderator instead of steered back on topic?
Don't we already have a thread for gun discussions?
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AR stands for Armalite Rifle. The AR10 was the first of the two and was chambered in 7.62x51mm. The AR15 came later and was chambered in 5.56mm. Now anyone can build whatever they want and call it whatever they want but anything else is just an AR platform in whatever caliber they built not it's not a 10 or 15.
https://www.maxblagg.net/ar10-vs-ar1...he-difference/
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Someone posted an article blaming Mexico's gun problem (danger) on the US. The article's veracity is being debated, not gun control.
The person making the purchase is obtaining the gun legally. What they do after the purchase is illegal. The GOP was no interest in stopping straw purchases since it will affect gun sales. Mexican cartels will continue to make bulk purchases at American gun shops until the US government decides to pull its head out of its ass.
Strong enough for the US military, 2nd Amendment Fetishists and Mexican drug cartels. .22LR might be the US's most popular ammo but its not because its good for killing people.
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He would have to admit that Mexican drug cartels weaponry is the direct result of American gun nuttery and their money from American drug users.
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Reading some of the posts in this thread makes me think that Exploding Varmints is a very popular movie on this board.
That someone is the US Government Accountability Office.
U.S. Efforts to Combat Firearms Trafficking to Mexico Have Improved, but Some Collaboration Challenges Remain
GAO-16-223: Published: Jan 11, 2016. Publicly Released: Jan 11, 2016.
The full report can be found here.What GAO Found
According to data from the Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 73,684 firearms (about 70 percent) seized in Mexico and traced from 2009 to 2014 originated in the United States. ATF data also show that these firearms were most often purchased in Southwest border states and that about half of them were long guns (rifles and shotguns). According to Mexican government officials, high caliber rifles are the preferred weapon used by drug trafficking organizations. According to ATF data, most were purchased legally in gun shops and at gun shows in the United States, and then trafficked illegally to Mexico. U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials also noted a new complicating factor in efforts to fight firearms trafficking is that weapons parts are being transported to Mexico to be later assembled into finished firearms, an activity that is much harder to track.
The actual number is likely higher than the 70% that was quoted in the GAO report. The 17% of non-US origin only meant that the weapons were not manufactured in the US. But they still could have been bought in the US then transported to Mexico. The 13% of Undetermined Origin likely refers to weapons that were assembled in Mexico using parts purchased in the US.
Mexico only submit serial numbers for around 25% of the guns confiscated in Mexico to be checked by the FBI.
Why only 25%?
Partly because of bureaucratic red tape. Partly because the Mexican police is not the best at accounting and documentation and keeping track of the firearms that they confiscated. The cartels also have this annoying habit of erasing serial numbers from firearms to keep it from being traced back to the original sellers.
Although the actual number is probably debatable, we won't be too far off if we just say more than half of the guns used by the Cartels in Mexico come from the US.
No straw purchaser would ever honestly answer that question and American gun shops are perfectly willing to accept any answers at face value. Money is more important then lives.
Furthermore the GOP would likely err on the side of the buyer in this case. Pressing the buyer on intent would be a violation of their privacy and their 2nd amendment rights. Or so it would be framed.
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
Cartels took control of the Mexican government. America should restore the democracy in Mexico.
Why is the Mexican crime cartels so violent to each other and regular people? Can't you make business without violence?