Pathfinder returns for Shadowlands

[SirCowdog]

He also got cheered. It was a clear 50/50

Clear? Lol?

He announced it, people started to boo. And you can see Ion's reaction to it, which sparks a bit of laughter from the crowd. There might have been some sporadic cheers for Ion's embarrassment at the boos, but there were no cheers for pathfinder. To claim that it was 50/50, much less "clear" is gold medal mental gymnastics.

[Aphrel]

That would be a terrible system. That outright rewards players for waiting to do content.

It how all systems are nowdays.

But i dont rly care either way. As long as I don't have to wait. My one and only wish for shadowlands is that content isnt needlessly gated. Its all i dare ask for at this point..

[Tumile]

It's funny how you neglect to mention that a player who attempts to gank like that, but isn't himself prepared for the inevitable CC, is being punished for his mistake. Especially in retail wow, where if said player attempts to mount up and fly away, you can bomb them with the net.


The only difference here is that you, and people like you, seem to think that flying is to blame. When in truth it's your own lack of ability to adapt to a different dynamic of world PVP. You don't like that flying exists in the dynamic, so rather than adapt, you attempt to demonize the thing that you don't like.





I stopped reading here. Again, someone or something you don't like gets demonized. It's blatantly obvious where your opinion stems from; and it's not a place of logic of objectivity. Good day.

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Failing to understand the argument I made isn't the same thing as me "dodging". I'm sorry you can't perceive anything that isn't directly effecting you, or understand concepts beyond what you immediately see. But that doesn't make me wrong. You're seeing two things: Flying and a lack of PVP targets. You make the assumption that the two are connected. But when someone comes along and provides an alternative explanation for why one is not directly causing the other, rather than consider carefully what's being explained, you get mad that someone doesn't share your view.

To the both of you: If you so badly want world PVP without flying, then Phase 2 of Classic is about to begin. Go there. Enjoy yourselves.

"you can net them" yeah if u give my net 5000 yards range dude. you are absolutely off your rocker if you think that is the case. the net is the most worthless shit, you don't think we've all tried to make that work you narcisistic basement dweller? it doesn't work in practise, and you would know that, the only time the fucking net/shell works is if people are hovering AFK. so yeah, flying is to blame, for Wpvp and so much more. as I said, all it does is take away from the game, not add to it. it reduces immersion you get to experience less of the content that was created for you, wasting the effort of the entire development team, wether its Art, Sound, or anything else. and honestly, im confident that anyone who disagrees is being Intelectually dishonest. they all know, but they don't actually want to experience the game. they don't like the game, they like a few select things in the game. such as the Pokemon shit, or collections, or maybe they only like Arena, or Only like Raiding. Personally i fucking hate the game right now, still love raiding. but that isn't Wow, that is just raiding. I used to like everything, From BG's to Arena's, to Raiding, to dungeons, and even the retardedly long attunement quests from TBC, I've spent thousands of hours exploring the world, I've wall jumped everywhere, under and ontop of every major city and Vista, and that is different, that is liking the game. and I'm sorry that you don't, I don't either anymore, and it sucks. but objectively Flying was a mistake and only helps to hurt the game and you know it, so stop fighting for ur right to skip parts of the content.

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The heck are you talking about? I was referring to how flying lead to less interaction in general between factions.

Flying is the major reason for killing wpvp.

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Dont mind sircowdog, he seems to think that lack of content is the reason world pvp is dead. ( even though it was alive and well until flying was unlocked in bfa). He just refuse to admit that and keeps dodging.

his issue seems to be with Wpvp iteself though, he just seems to think its bullying or some shit.

[SirCowdog]

narcisistic basement dweller

Do you want your point of view to be taken seriously? Next time avoid these:

1) Wall of text
2) Lack of grammar.
3) Opening with an insult.
4) Logical Fallacies:

• 4a: Sound is harmed by flight(really?)
• 4b: Fun/Immersion is subjective
• 4c: Raiding isn't wow(really?)
• 4d: Straw Man(Claiming I want to skip everything)
• 4e: Straw Man(Assumption that I have problems with WPVP. Bullying(really?))

I get it. You don't agree with my point of view. But seriously, literally everything about your post is based on false premise, bad presentation, and utterly made up points that have nothing to do with where I actually stand on the topic.

Next time try actually reading with the intent to understand instead of insult.

[ercarp]

How are people still complaining about this?

"Oh no, I can't fly at launch and skip all the content! Looks like I won't be pre-ordering!"

[kaminaris]

How are people still complaining about this?

"Oh no, I can't fly at launch and skip all the content! Looks like I won't be pre-ordering!"

That is one of the dumbest pseudo arguments you could hear. I can skip content by simply not doing it regardless if flying is enabled or not.
Running away from mobs on the ground is also possible, i prefer to stun and walk away from anything that manages to dismount me than to engage in combat.
Fly paths and whistle does that too.

In mechagon we had jetpack. In nazjatar we had deepcoral bud, skipped everything I didn't need for Q.

In fact, Im not interested in anything other than dungeons and raids until flying is enabled. Why would I? Doing some fun stuff in open world is much better with flying.

[Frosteye]

That is one of the dumbest pseudo arguments you could hear. I can skip content by simply not doing it regardless if flying is enabled or not.
Running away from mobs on the ground is also possible, i prefer to stun and walk away from anything that manages to dismount me than to engage in combat.
Fly paths and whistle does that too.

In mechagon we had jetpack. In nazjatar we had deepcoral bud, skipped everything I didn't need for Q.

In fact, Im not interested in anything other than dungeons and raids until flying is enabled. Why would I? Doing some fun stuff in open world is much better with flying.

Yeah, retail wow is old and tired at this point. Having played since 2005, and having flying since TBC (what was that again? 2007?), I don't really want to play anymore if I have to deal with tedious bullshit / no flying.

[Wyattbw09]

That is one of the dumbest pseudo arguments you could hear. I can skip content by simply not doing it regardless if flying is enabled or not.
Running away from mobs on the ground is also possible, i prefer to stun and walk away from anything that manages to dismount me than to engage in combat.
Fly paths and whistle does that too.

In mechagon we had jetpack. In nazjatar we had deepcoral bud, skipped everything I didn't need for Q.

In fact, Im not interested in anything other than dungeons and raids until flying is enabled. Why would I? Doing some fun stuff in open world is much better with flying.

Kaminaris: Doing stuff in the open world is fun with flying I don’t want anything to do with the open world without flying.

Also Kaminaris: I skip over everything that is not exsactly my current quest when I have flying.

[Azerate]

I don't really mind pathfinder. I'd prefer if it were available right from the start maybe, but the way it is now is also fine.

[Zuben]

Pathfinder is still fine, but playing through Nazjatar I feel the required grind should be more palatable. Nazjatar is such a shithole.

[rrayy]

He literally says while it's happening that there's more boo.

Doesn't change the fact he also got cheers.

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It how all systems are nowdays.

But i dont rly care either way. As long as I don't have to wait. My one and only wish for shadowlands is that content isnt needlessly gated. Its all i dare ask for at this point..

Except it doesn't. There isn't any content that gives you relevant rewards for waiting two years to do it.

[Aphrel]

Doesn't change the fact he also got cheers.

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Except it doesn't. There isn't any content that gives you relevant rewards for waiting two years to do it.

Whos talking about 2 years? What are you smoking now?

[Niffo]

I don't mind pathfinder, just don't make it timegated till one of the latest patches.

[Yarathir]

I don't mind pathfinder, just don't make it timegated till one of the latest patches.

This. I'd rather have Pathfinder part 1 unlock flying in launch content and then have patch content zone flying unlocked separately with part 2 than have Pathfinder 1 and 2 unlock flying in both launch content and 9.1/9.2 content like it did in BfA.

[Sunderella]

I would be fine with pathdfinder if it was granted right after getting the loremaster of each zone.

[rrayy]

Whos talking about 2 years? What are you smoking now?

THe idea was to give flying away for gold after the next expansion hits. That is rewarding players for not doing the content for 2 years.

[Understarmor]

Makes sense, its the best system to implement flyin afterall.

no idiot, the best system to implement flying was, you level to max level and then have to buy like cold weather flying or something to that affect.

[schwarzkopf]

You forgot the best option - remove flying in current content completely.

Short of the best option - having people at least have to complete some of the current content first seems like a reasonable compromise.

[Yarathir]

Short of the best option - having people at least have to complete some of the current content first seems like a reasonable compromise.

That's what we have now.
That plus 6 to 11 months of wait time on top.

[schwarzkopf]

That's what we have now.

Indeed, not as good has having no flying in current content - but one can't have everything.