Venthyr: Nathrezim?

[Destinas]

Nothing in that text suggest that those gargoyles are Venthir.

Whatever you'd like to believe.

[Fetus Rex]

Unique Alliance Race that we won't get because Shadowlands are a shell of an expansion.

[chrisisvacant]

Unique Alliance Race that we won't get because Shadowlands are a shell of an expansion.

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Dreadlords are from Nathreza, they are demons and these are deadguys

That doesn't really mean there is no connection. Nathreza and Nathria are extremely close in name.

[EbaumsTipster]

Unique Alliance Race that we won't get because Shadowlands are a shell of an expansion.

Is that why they use a player rig and are already able to equip armor? Use your brain.

[shoc]

If vampiric shadow magic comes from Revendreth, and the Nathrezim are potent vampiric shadow magic users then it would seem the Venthyr would have an influence on the Nathrezim. Just like the necrotic and plague style of Necromantic magic is derived from Maldraxxus, and that influence is felt in the aesthetics of the Scourge, like in Naxxramas.

[Fetus Rex]

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That doesn't really mean there is no connection. Nathreza and Nathria are extremely close in name.

Is that why they use a player rig and are already able to equip armor? Use your brain.

Do they? They have unique armors and there is a difference between player rig and player ready model.

[Yeti Glanchi]

Were the nathrezim always demons ?

I forget if the WoW Chronicle retconned that demons existed before Sargeras or not , I 'm not too knowledgeable of the rpg lore before Chronicle ... i know there was lore established that Sargeras and Kil 'jaedan turned random races from across the universe into demons (annihilan into pit lords, eredar into man'ari eredar, etc) so maybe the same was with nathrezim ?

Perhaps the nathrezim Sargeras encountered on the void planet were non - demon nathrezim and were actually venthyr ?

[Frontenac]

We have seen a Light Dreadlord, why not a Death Dreadlord? I can imagine that some dreadlords found their way into the Shadowlands. There, they began syphoning death magic and they became the Venthyr. Or the Arbiter changed them and gave them their job.

As for the gargoyles, they could very well be Venthyrs. Since the Venthyrs are based off vampires, it would not be surprising if they could change shape, returning to a form close to their old demonic form. Besides, this is the afterlife. We have angels with the Kyrians. Demons would not be out of place.

[Th3Scourge]

Mostly that the origins of both Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination will be explored in Shadowlands, including how and where they were made, and the Nathrezim's role in that process. Nothing that explicitly connects the Venthir to the Nathrezim outright, but along with the physical similarities of some of Revendreth's entities as well as the nomenclature it seems like an implicit connection nonetheless.

Blizzard included the origins of Frostmourne in the DK order hall Libram of the Dead:

The tales of Frostmourne are many, but they all trace back to the Lich King. The Burning Legion molded this spectral entity for one purpose: to spread a plague of undeath across Azeroth. Deep within the trackless wastes of Northrend, the Lich King began this dark task. His influence crept over the world like a shadow and manipulated mortal minds to serve him as agents of undeath.

The Lich King also possessed otherworldly artifacts to achieve his goal. Among them was the demon-forged runeblade Frostmourne. The weapon could consume the souls of its victims, imprisoning their spirits within the blade. It could also remake the living into mindless undead servants. Yet to harness these extraordinary powers, the Lich King required a mortal vessel to wield Frostmourne.

So really if they are going to explore the origins you'd hope they don't "kinda forget" the lore they put in the game 1 expansion ago

[Aucald]

Blizzard included the origins of Frostmourne in the DK order hall Libram of the Dead:

So really if they are going to explore the origins you'd hope they don't "kinda forget" the lore they put in the game 1 expansion ago

Which is really vague on the actual origins of Frostmourne, so vague as to be completely lacking in any form of detail as to its construction or forging. The Libram of the Dead pretty much just says it was given to the Lich King by the Legion, that it could consume/imprison souls, and that it needed a mortal vessel to wield. All part and parcel of its functions, all known information, nothing about how it was created or where it otherwise came from.