ICE detained a veteran they knew was a US citizen

[Calfredd]

I was wondering why they didn't sue for more.



I assume they took the $190,000 because it would be hard to prove 100% wrongdoing?

But the family attorney disputes he even said that and so far there is no evidence that says he did. ICE is the one claiming he said he was illegal.

[Zaydin]

But the family attorney disputes he even said that and so far there is no evidence that says he did. ICE is the one claiming he said he was illegal.

What, ICE would lie after they were caught unlawfully detaining a US citizen? What reason would ICE have to lie? /s

[smityx]

Because they are spending all their resources abusing women and children migrants at the border instead of finding violent and drug related migrants inside the US.

Woman and children are the easy low hanging fruit that require very little/no effort and looks good on the monthly reports/quota's. Actual criminals require actual police/investigative work and they want to make sure they go home at the end of their shift.

[PosPosPos]

Despite being presented almost immediately with proof that Marine veteran Jilar Ramos-Gomez was a US citizen, having had a passport on his person when he was first arrested, ICE detained him anyways and was prepared to deport him. As a result of his unlawful detainment, the city of Grand Rapids, Michigan settled with his family a lawsuit for $190,000 without having to admit wrongdoing.

Can we please just disband the ICEstapo? We survived fine without them for decades.

I mean, you basically hit the nail on the head with that portmanteau.

ICE is basically just a nicer-sounding secret police run by conservative interests.

[ipaq]

Sorry bro, nut you stated "most of the terrorists" which is actually false. Beside 9/11, 100% of terrorism acts are caused by America born defectives. ( see white nationalist, republican, or religious zealots ).

Don't forget that the northern border and seaports don't have dirty brown Mexicans living next to them. Seriously, how could any attorney suing Trumps administration over any of this not bring up the fact that most of the terrorists that come n come in through Canada and the coasts? Not a thing is being done because the GoP are racist fuckbags and so are their supporters. They don't want brown people coming here and certainly do not want brown people voting here. They only think brown they want to vote is all the land where no one lives in rural America.

[Machismo]

ICE, and the CBP has a major racism problem within their ranks. ICE is little more than an authoritarian battering ram, and needs to go away. We should never allow the roots of national socialism to take hold.

[Mormolyce]

Trump still has not reached anywhere near the level of interior removals as the early Obama administration, according to Cato's analysis of data through 2018

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-admi...on-enforcement

He was heavily criticised for that policy too, so I don't see how "but but but Obama" is relevant.

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19 agents out of over 20 000 feel this way. Amazing.

Your link talks about 1 case. What about other 5999 cases?

LOL, when all else fails, circumscribe.

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ok so 19 out of how many and why do you feel like such a small number is important ?

Because they were all SACs at the time of signing that letter.

If you don't know what SACs are, here is a little blurb about the position taken directly from https://www.ice.gov/hsi

"HSI is comprised of more than 10,000 employees, which includes more than 7,000 special agents who are assigned to 30 Special Agent in Charge (SAC) offices in major cities, over 182 other field offices throughout the United States, and 69 overseas locations and 8 Department of Defense Liaisons in 51 countries."


19 out of 30 is a pretty significant figure.

Wow, talk about getting dunked on lol. Better luck next time, Cizr.

[Themius]

He was heavily criticised for that policy too, so I don't see how "but but but Obama" is relevant.

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LOL, when all else fails, circumscribe.

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Wow, talk about getting dunked on lol. Better luck next time, Cizr.

There were some stats I was looking at earlier today. Comparing republicans to democrats.

It was from a Reddit post with polls showing that republicans just fall in line. Obama bombs Syria. 37% of democrats approve and 22% republicans. Trump does it... 36% democrats approve 88% republicans.

12 percent of republicans had a favorable view of Putin and 15 percent democrats. Now it is 32 for gop and 10 for democrats. 17 gop and 18 dem said Russia was an ally now 31 republicans and 16 dem.

It seems republicans have no care for anything but who is in charge so they can fall in line and follow. So “but Obama” will never work as by and large democrat support of certain actions remain about the same while republicans swing wildly depending on which party takes the same action.

Democrats argue and don’t always back the leaders because they’re open minded and hence split the party. Republicans fall in line like good soldiers because they care only about power.

We went from 30 percent evangelicals saying a person who behaves immorally can be moral in public to fucking 72% after trump. Conservatives seem to have shifting morals yet claim its truly the democrats who do. Well... the numbers don’t lie.

[Pipebomb]

He was heavily criticised for that policy too, so I don't see how "but but but Obama" is relevant.

I was replying to a "but but but Trump" response.

It's like Trump's whole immigration policy is about ethnic cleansing.

[Cizr]

He was heavily criticised for that policy too, so I don't see how "but but but Obama" is relevant.

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LOL, when all else fails, circumscribe.

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Wow, talk about getting dunked on lol. Better luck next time, Cizr.

How did I get dunked on? 1 bad case out of 6000 means that whole organization should be disbanded?

Do you feel the same way about firefighters, doctors etc? Should we close hospitals when they make one mistake? Once again you listen to your feels instead of facts and reason.

[Mormolyce]

I was replying to a "but but but Trump" response.

This thread is literally about Trump's policy.

It's kind of hard to maintain a debate with people who struggle with basic concepts like this.

[Freighter]

Because they were all SACs at the time of signing that letter.

If you don't know what SACs are, here is a little blurb about the position taken directly from https://www.ice.gov/hsi

"HSI is comprised of more than 10,000 employees, which includes more than 7,000 special agents who are assigned to 30 Special Agent in Charge (SAC) offices in major cities, over 182 other field offices throughout the United States, and 69 overseas locations and 8 Department of Defense Liaisons in 51 countries."


19 out of 30 is a pretty significant figure.

Did you even read what you're quoting?

It's 7000 special agents, assigned to offices, of which 30 are SAC offices. Which means, 19 out of 7000 special agents.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Did you even read what you're quoting?

It's 7000 special agents, assigned to offices, of which 30 are SAC offices. Which means, 19 out of 7000 special agents.

I did read it, and apparently your reading comprehension needs work because you seem to fail to understand that SAC is a specific rank that is above that of a regular special agent. The "in charge" portion kind of gives away what the role of SAC is.

[Freighter]

I did read it, and apparently your reading comprehension needs work because you seem to fail to understand that SAC is a specific rank that is above that of a regular special agent. The "in charge" portion kind of gives away what the role of SAC is.

Apparently you don't understand what you're quoting. It says 7000 special agents are assigned to 30 SAC offices, among other things. Not that there's 30 special agents in charge.

[Endus]

Apparently you don't understand what you're quoting. It says 7000 special agents are assigned to 30 SAC offices, among other things. Not that there's 30 special agents in charge.

SAC offices are the offices where a given SAC works, and their support staff and subsidiary agents. Those subsidiary agents are the majority of the 7,000.

The SAC is the head of each particular office. Not the rank-and-file agents working in an SAC's office.

I can't find any specifics on exactly how many SACs there actually are, but SAC is the top rank for field agents in the FBI. Talking about the entire FBI staff to imply that 19 SACs is a tiny fraction is dishonest.

[zenkai]

Despite being presented almost immediately with proof that Marine veteran Jilar Ramos-Gomez was a US citizen, having had a passport on his person when he was first arrested, ICE detained him anyways and was prepared to deport him. As a result of his unlawful detainment, the city of Grand Rapids, Michigan settled with his family a lawsuit for $190,000 without having to admit wrongdoing.

Can we please just disband the ICEstapo? We survived fine without them for decades.

Your title is misleading, ICE didn't know at first, when they found out they released him, it shouldn't have taken 3 days. They had to pay for their mistake, as they should.

[shimerra]

Your title is misleading, ICE didn't know at first, when they found out they released him, it shouldn't have taken 3 days. They had to pay for their mistake, as they should.

We should come up with some sort of official document that could be presented that could verify your citizenship for travel abroad and serve as confirmation of identity domestically. We could call it a passport even! Why has no one thought of this yet?


The title isn't misleading. They were almost immediately presented with his passport both the police and ICE. Then a racist fuckwad who was off duty at the time asked them too look into his status....... after it was already verified which got ICE involved who deliberately ignored contradicting evidence that had already been presented.


ICE was provided with his passport in addition to the police verifying it prior. If that isn't knowing I don't know what is. They knew and chose to ignore it. The title is correct.