The end boss has always been Old God/Legion themed

[Candy Cough]

Vanilla - Kel'thuzad. Scourge, which is made by the burning legion / C'thun - Old god
TBC - Kil'jaeden
Wotlk - Lich King. Made by the Burning legion
Cataclysm - Deathwing. Servant of the Old gods
MoP - Garrosh empowered by the heart of an Old god
WoD - Archimonde
Legion - Legion controlled titan
BFA - N'zoth - Old god
SL - ???

Maybe this is the time they break the wheel no?

[Protean]

Why though?

[Aucald]

I would say the Scourge is its own theme, really. Made by the Legion, sure, but definitely has their own unique aesthetic and motifs. So I would say Classic and WotLK are Scourge themed, with TBC, WoD, and Legion being Legion themed, and Cata, MoP, and BfA being Old God themed. Shadowlands would probably be Scourge themed at least for now, though it could be unique as well.

[Shadowsgrace]

Vanilla - Kel'thuzad. Scourge, which is made by the burning legion / C'thun - Old god
TBC - Kil'jaeden
Wotlk - Lich King. Made by the Burning legion
Cataclysm - Deathwing. Servant of the Old gods
MoP - Garrosh empowered by the heart of an Old god
WoD - Archimonde
Legion - Legion controlled titan
BFA - N'zoth - Old god
SL - ???

Maybe this is the time they break the wheel no?

Last boss in WotLK was not the Lich King, the last boss was Halion

[crakerjack]

Because those were the main threats to azeroth as a whole. And it's vague to just group them up that way. Outside of anything originating from void lords or burning legion, what else is left? Hell, even shadowlands can get grouped up into either of those since it's where the scourage got their source of power. It's like asking the question, why does star wars always have some sith related main antagonist?

[Florena]

The Legion may have been created by the scourge but considering it broke away and has its own aesthetic and themes separate from the legion, and the legion hasnt' even really done anything large scale with necromancy since, I'd say the scourge is its own separate thing and lumping it in with the legion is a stretch for these purposes.

[Varodoc]

So the final bosses of the various expansions have always had some degree of connection to the two major evil factions in the entire fucking franchise. Picture me surprised.

[TheFirstOnes]

Last boss in WotLK was not the Lich King, the last boss was Halion

I think he means the last boss as "the main villain".

[Bismarck]

SL: voidlords

[Thelyron]

Last boss in WotLK was not the Lich King, the last boss was Halion

>unironically implying that ruby sanctum counts in any way, shape, or form

[zephid]

Last boss in WotLK was not the Lich King, the last boss was Halion

That is true, but Ruby Sanctum was just a filler raid. Something they added to WotLK to keep people engaged until the next expansion was ready. It wasn't planned from the start. WotLK was supposed to end with ICC.

[Shadowsgrace]

I think he means the last boss as "the main villain".

Well the issue is, He used Kil'Jaeden for TBC. SWP was not the planned last raid, it was a thrown together new raid to give those that had already cleared all of BT, and had it on Farm status, something to do until WotLK was released, just like Ruby Sanctum was in WotLK. So if you do it for TBC, the same must be held for WotLK.

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>unironically implying that ruby sanctum counts in any way, shape, or form

it counts as much as SWP did in TBC.

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That is true, but Ruby Sanctum was just a filler raid. Something they added to WotLK to keep people engaged until the next expansion was ready. It wasn't planned from the start. WotLK was supposed to end with ICC.

And SWP was a "filler raid" just like Ruby Sanctum was. It was just scaled so hard that so few ever cleared it, let alone Raided it.

[Lollis]

Either way, Halion was because of the Twilight dragonflight which was created by Sinestra & Deathwing.

[Shaqthefat]

Well the issue is, He used Kil'Jaeden for TBC. SWP was not the planned last raid, it was a thrown together new raid to give those that had already cleared all of BT, and had it on Farm status, something to do until WotLK was released, just like Ruby Sanctum was in WotLK. So if you do it for TBC, the same must be held for WotLK.

Sunwell was very clearly not a filler raid.

Sunwell plateau was clearly a planned raid. Unique models were made for both trash mobs and bosses, total of 6 bosses, which wouldn't be used at all in Wrath of the Lich King. Each fight was built was in-depth with new mechanics that hadn't been seen before. There was also an entire patch build around Sunwell.


Ruby Sanctum however consists of 1 boss with a model that would be used throughout Cata, therefore it was already made before hand. It didn't have patched based around it. The fight was a mix of old dragon fights with some new mixed in, but its really easy to semi-innovate a boss when you only have one to build.


Edit: This also completely ignoring the fact that Zul'Aman was released AFTER Black Temple.

[Shadowsgrace]

It was the Speed at which they Rushed it out, that caused it's "Filler" status. It was never properly tuned for anybody other than those that had fully farmed MH/BT and had nothing to do. Yes it was a full raid, but one never polished for release.

[RWQ]

Well the issue is, He used Kil'Jaeden for TBC. SWP was not the planned last raid, it was a thrown together new raid to give those that had already cleared all of BT, and had it on Farm status, something to do until WotLK was released, just like Ruby Sanctum was in WotLK. So if you do it for TBC, the same must be held for WotLK.

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it counts as much as SWP did in TBC.

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And SWP was a "filler raid" just like Ruby Sanctum was. It was just scaled so hard that so few ever cleared it, let alone Raided it.

I gotta strongly disagree here. Both were unplanned. One was one boss. The other was an entire raid and corresponding dailies zone. They are not the same thing just because both were originally unplanned.

[Maxilian]

Name any major boss or faction that have NOTHING to do with any of those factions and bosses you pointed out above?

Note: I guess the closest you can is with the Elemetals, but they were servants of the Old Gods, so.... yeah

[ChairmanKaga]

Well the issue is, He used Kil'Jaeden for TBC. SWP was not the planned last raid, it was a thrown together new raid to give those that had already cleared all of BT, and had it on Farm status, something to do until WotLK was released, just like Ruby Sanctum was in WotLK. So if you do it for TBC, the same must be held for WotLK.

Why do people repeat this bunk over and over for no reason?

[Shaqthefat]

It was the Speed at which they Rushed it out, that caused it's "Filler" status. It was never properly tuned for anybody other than those that had fully farmed MH/BT and had nothing to do. Yes it was a full raid, but one never polished for release.

So TOS is a filler raid because it wasn't polished for release? Was Emerald Nightmare a filler raid, because of how quickly it came out?


Sunwell was released with an entire patch, we had a whole new zone and a new dungeon. Ruby Sanctum released with nothing, besides itself.


If Sunwell was filler content, then the filler content was bigger than the last patch of the game, which would've been Zul'aman. Zul'aman came with improvements to the game (things like guild banks and things were done with Dustwallow Marsh), but no new content besides Zul'aman, which had the same amount of bosses as Sunwell so it wasn't even bigger in that regard.

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I gotta strongly disagree here. Both were unplanned. One was one boss. The other was an entire raid and corresponding dailies zone. They are not the same thing just because both were originally unplanned.

If both were unplanned then Zul'jin would've been the final boss of Burning Crusade.

[Sneaksies]

Vanilla - Kel'thuzad. Scourge, which is made by the burning legion / C'thun - Old god
TBC - Kil'jaeden
Wotlk - Lich King. Made by the Burning legion
Cataclysm - Deathwing. Servant of the Old gods
MoP - Garrosh empowered by the heart of an Old god
WoD - Archimonde
Legion - Legion controlled titan
BFA - N'zoth - Old god
SL - ???

Maybe this is the time they break the wheel no?

the jailer could possibly be tied to legion or ogs in some way. it might not even be the jailer. we never knew argus was a titan until last patch