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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Gosh, it's almost as if nonsensical rabble doomsaying is scoffled by the normal folk.

    Your ideological substance matters little when it's clad with insanity and seeing racism everywhere.
    This is an excellent example of an opinion produced under such a mindset, @s_bushido.

    Actual analysis of the position isn't important because, again, any strong form of political belief is worthless to such people.



    This is one of the roots of the resurgence of far right political extremism in the US.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I'm all for healthy debates between people with opposing ideas, but there are just some instances where it's either better not to bother because you know the other side isn't interested in arguing in good faith, or their ideas are so abhorrent to human decency it's better not to give them a platform; and I feel that was more Nurot's point, hyperbole aside.
    Sounds like a wishy washy way to say you're against debating people you dislike, and would rather see them unable to speak at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Gosh, it's almost as if nonsensical rabble doomsaying is scoffled by the normal folk.

    Your ideological substance matters little when it's clad with insanity and seeing racism everywhere.
    Let's have some examples of what "normal folk" would consider insanity and calling something racist where that label isn't warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    This is an excellent example of an opinion produced under such a mindset, @s_bushido.
    Actual analysis of the position isn't important because, again, any strong form of political belief is worthless to such people.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJqZy2aX...jpg&name=small
    This is one of the roots of the resurgence of far right political extremism in the US.
    Imagine treating a reddit post as gospel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Imagine treating a reddit post as gospel.
    Imagine actually debating the point rather than the source.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    It's simple: you invite debate rather than stifling and disrupting it. Regardless of who's speaking.

    That's how it works... cute demonization attempt though.
    So the religious right doesn't shutdown any sort of topics, right? It's all up for debate?

    Are you saying that repeating the words someone expresses is demonizing them? Yikes, pretty sure people can be held accountable for what they say... Normalizing stupidity and perpetuating hatred isn't cute by any means.

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    These are facts not theories.
    The fact is there is ZERO evidence of wrongdoing. FACT. You literally have said nothing other than you don't like Biden, so, like the conspiracy theorists, you're connecting imaginary dots without evidence. FACT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Let's have some examples of what "normal folk" would consider insanity and calling something racist where that label isn't warranted.
    A guy stuttering two words together during a speech about Martin Luther King and getting fired because some people thought the jumbled up mess sounded close to "coon".
    A guy raising a million for child charity and getting attacked for saying "nigger" once during his teenage twittering years and years before.
    Believing that jokes are just excuses for "whistleblowey normalizing racism", and thus should be banned.

    Believing that the speech you dislike is speech that shouldn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Sounds like a wishy washy way to say you're against debating people you dislike, and would rather see them unable to speak at all.
    I mean if you deliberately wish to narrowly interpret it as that way, be my guest. I personally don't agree with just about anything you post, but I still think you should be able to say it so as long as it doesn't step into deliberate trolling or advocating against groups of people you don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Imagine actually debating the point rather than the source.
    Sorry, must've missed it in that rabble of nonsense about how "South Park bad".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    A guy stuttering two words together during a speech about Martin Luther King and getting fired because some people thought the jumbled up mess sounded close to "coon".
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weath...s-an-accident/

    Or, because he actually said it but didn't apologize for it. And that this isn't the first time people have had trouble with these words, including one guy who said it in 2005 and was fired because his station didn't view his excuse of "stumbling over his words" as sufficient.

    And again in 2010 on ESPN, where the host immediately apologize and wasn't fired for it.

    And again in 2014 by another guy, who also immediately apologized and wasn't fired.

    This isn't a black and white issue for sure, but you're mischaracterizing it by not providing any context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    A guy raising a million for child charity and getting attacked for saying "nigger" once during his teenage twittering years and years before.
    The beer kid? You know that...like...the local reporter who dug up his social media history from his teenage years got fired for his reporting (also because his own social history wasn't necessarily clean...right? There was no push to "out" this guy or anything, and there was a ton of criticism on his reporting because nobody saw any reason to dig back through his teenage year activities.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/racist-twe...ry?id=65849942

    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Believing that jokes are just excuses for "whistleblowey normalizing racism", and thus should be banned.

    Believing that the speech you dislike is speech that shouldn't happen.
    No clue what you're even getting at with either of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I mean if you deliberately wish to narrowly interpret it as that way, be my guest.
    Am I, though?
    The "bad faith" thing is routinely used as an excuse to avoid sitting down the table and engage in discussion.
    "You're just gonna lie!" they say.
    Okay, so?
    If they're gonna lie, prove them a liar. Don't run away claiming superiority before you do.

    And about the part of being "abhorrent to human decency"... this is a feeling, not a fact.
    Are you alright with the notion that people should be not allowed to talk based on personal "decency"?
    Because someone already tried that road before and history doesn't look kindly on them today.
    And besides, who decides whose feelings are important? Whose "decency" reigns supreme?

    Just let everyone talk.

    I personally don't agree with just about anything you post, but I still think you should be able to say it so as long as it doesn't step into deliberate trolling or advocating against groups of people you don't like.
    Same, which is why I don't believe "abhorrent thoughts" should be denied a platform, because sooner or later someone will decide YOUR thoughts are "abhorrent" on some volatile subjective standard and deny YOU a platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ipaq View Post
    Racism, fascism, bigotry, religious zealotry, etc, are not "opposing opinions".
    Context is important here. I am clearly referring to opposing opinions within the group, not the opposing ideology. Inside the left there are many different opinions, and plenty of echo chambers that disregard other viewpoints. My point is that the Right no longer tolerates such internal differences, and seems obsessed with purging any voice that could speak out against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Zero? We have him on tape admitting to holding aid until the guy investigating his son's company is fired. We know that his son is underqualified for his job, and even if it's like you suggested, that they 'only" hired Hunter to get close to him, which is technically a bribe through his son that he gladly accepted. What more evidence do you need to start an investigation? The only thing left is for Biden to confess himself for bribery and corruption.
    Everyone wanted Shokin removed, not just Biden, because Shokin wasn't investigating corruption at all. In any case, Burisma was investigated months later and nothing was found.

    If Trump had legitimate concerns, he should've raised it with the DOJ so they could do a proper investigation, instead of trying to get a newly appointed president who desperately wanted legitimacy via a White House visit to publicly announce that Ukraine was investigating Trump's political rival. This was obviously a political ploy and had nothing to do with actual corruption. Trump just wanted Ukraine to make a big deal out of it, in order to make Biden look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    I strongly doubt this is all it took for the guy to be fired.
    It's much more likely that there were a number of incidents and problems the guy raised in the past happening in the backstage before this one made him lose his job for good.

    Sounds like a case of Trump derangement syndrome reaching the limit of its employer, like with Carlos Maza or those journalists who refused to stick to sports for their sports publications.
    He was likely criticizing Trump behind the scenes. Of course that would go over poorly with a rabid cultist manager who thinks Trump can do no wrong.

    People are having the courage to speak up against corruption, and for truth and law and order, and they're getting punished for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    So the lefties did a fake news once again? How unusual, never happened before
    There are always two sides to every tale but yeah a lot of leftwingers here dont give a fuck and will blindly believe what they want to believe. Notice how they love using "anonymous source" or hearsay when it fits their narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    What's the point of raising it with the DOJ before ensuring there will be compliance from Ukraine?
    Because that is the proper channels for working with foreign governments (ie the mutual legal assistance treaty). What Trump did was try to circumvent normal channels by using irregular back channels (Giuliani et al) to get his way. This was something Trump was trying to do covertly and didn't want the rest of the government knowing about because, surprise, it was improper.

    Pressuring the poor guy? Pressuring for what?
    Zelenskyy was a newly appointed president with no political experience. Getting a visit to the White House was extremely important as it would help his image back in the Ukraine. Trump knew this, which is why the meetings were canceled until after he made a public announcement. Not to mention that Trump was delaying the congressionally approved aid that Ukraine was desperate to receive.

    Honestly, it seems like you are kind of out of the loop and have no idea what has been going on. I'd suggest checking out the primary thread. Here's a timeline to help out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cizr View Post
    There are always two sides to every tale but yeah a lot of leftwingers here dont give a fuck and will blindly believe what they want to believe. Notice how they love using "anonymous source" or hearsay when it fits their narrative.
    That is particularly rich coming from you. A man who lives of fee fees that confirm his preconceived notions.

    At this point you could personally watch trump sexually assault every female in your family and if some random right wing bumb fuck commentator said it didn't happen on a never heard of radio show I'd put money on you calling your mother a lieing whore over questioning a right wing narrative.

    Anonymous sourcing has been a journalistic standard since the inception of it as a profession. It's folks like yourself who belittle the practice when it suits you but hold it high when you find one that agrees. Nice try at a partisan jab only to illustrate your own blind partisanship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    That is particularly rich coming from you. A man who lives of fee fees that confirm his preconceived notions.

    At this point you could personally watch trump sexually assault every female in your family and if some random right wing bumb fuck commentator said it didn't happen on a never heard of radio show I'd put money on you calling your mother a lieing whore over questioning a right wing narrative.

    Anonymous sourcing has been a journalistic standard since the inception of it as a profession. It's folks like yourself who belittle the practice when it suits you but hold it high when you find one that agrees. Nice try at a partisan jab only to illustrate your own blind partisanship.
    Thats a lot of projecting mate. I am sure you can backup all these personal attacks, right ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Who looked into it? Did we get to investigate the company and the situation? Or was it just some guy in Ukraine who "looked into it" ... it seems you don't understand corruption. Investigators "looking into it" can be corrupt. Besides, why did Biden wanna fire the guy investigating his son's company? Ah because investigators could be corrupt! We should investigate why Biden asked for that. What was the information he had? Was it reasonable to allow such a strong twist of hand and pressuring of Ukraine? We should do that in the U.S. We should question all people around Biden to hear why he held up billions over a guy investigating a company and why he was so passionate about it. We never heard anything.
    Are you confused? It was Trump that bribed Ukraine to look into it. The US looked into it as well.

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    Definitely confused. Apparently thinks Biden holds a political office.

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