South Korea signs defence agreement with China after Trump wants money from them.

[Flarelaine]

I guess I just don't understand why countries that have been under the boot of authoritarianism would be happy about Americans having their version of it.

I am not sure this mindset is specific to Eastern Europe. Or even to non-Americans. I've seen "You think you're better than us?" quoted as the "redneck battle cry" all to often. Must be an underdog thing.

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Just an idea: Viktor Orban, who really pushes the limit of democracy in Europe, built a bloody wall in less then four months and severely reduced the flow of refugees as a result. Trump is what...over two years in and has less then 100 miles to show for it?

What he built is a fence. It is a relevant distinction because it comes up weekly in American wall debates. But he got it built and manned. And now he's keeping refugees in camps for months, with nutrition and medical care of questionable value, though at least we have not heard of separated families.

As a side note to all, English is the chosen common medium of MMO-Champion forums.

[Monster Hunter]

Also, aren't you Gilrak? Where did this Communism shtick came from?

Yes it is. Dunno why they changed there name to that, pritty easy way to get any and all opinions they have instantly dismissed as crackpot. Not the Gilrak had a good name for sane and rational opinions befor though.

[Yadryonych]

Yes. Let's have the likes of China and Russia fill in the power vacuum if US withdraws behind their borders. The world will surely be much safer place then.

Imagine still advocating usa as peacemaker and lawbringer after president of usa came out of the closet and told everyone they are withdrawing from Syria but keeping the oil. The next stoop is probably withdrawing from Afghanistan but keeping the opium

[Skroe]

Good move. US has no business being outside of US territories. The faster whole "world police" mentality disappears, the safer world will be.

Also if US wants to have big military, US should pay for it alone. Other countries should stop contributing and make local agreements like SK is doing.

你的中文说得很好。

/十个字

The US isn't going anywhere and is significantly more powerful compared to everyone except China than it was a decade ago.

[Kiri]

They just label them as terrorists and kill them. Same people, different side of mountains. Then there was whole Guantanamo Bay fiasco recently.

You also seem to be misusing "concentration camp" term. Even western media calls it reeducation camps, while not having any proof other than paid witnesses. But lets assume they do exist. That means China is reeducating jihadists instead of just killing them. What is better - reeducation or murder?

That's a good question, actually. One that each person would have to answer for themselves alone. Some would want to keep on living, no matter the cost. Some would rather die the person they are than endure reeaducation and emerge as someone they themselves wouldn't recognize. I can't tell which is better or worse.

But I can say that they are both, you know, bad? Especially if, as you noted, both sides can just label their intended victims terrorists, even if they are not. Arguing over which is worse serves no practical purpose - aside from distracting from the issue at hand, namely that in that case people are being persecuted by governments and suffer.

[Ihavewaffles]

Love to see the US lose its infleunce.

More like a colonialist finally leaving..

Just the idea that SK n Japan pay anything at all to the US...
Like US demanding rent money from the landlord is typical colonialism..
The occupied paying for their own occupation...n Trump now whining that US doesn't get to rob others nearly as much as he wants..

Also ww2 has been over almost a century, yet US hovers over western europe like a vulture...

[Skroe]

They just label them as terrorists and kill them. Same people, different side of mountains. Then there was whole Guantanamo Bay fiasco recently.

You also seem to be misusing "concentration camp" term. Even western media calls it reeducation camps, while not having any proof other than paid witnesses. But lets assume they do exist. That means China is reeducating jihadists instead of just killing them. What is better - reeducation or murder?

Guantanamo is not a concentration camp. It is a prison camp. It's a prison camp that still exists only because the Bush Administration screwed up in the early 2000s, broke the law and made the prisoners almost impossible to prosecute, yet also impossible to release. GITMO is a monument to failure and deviation from the law.

China's actual Uighur Concentration camps are the largest such things in existence since the 1960s. They are institutionalized, as before, by the Chinese Communist Party as policy. Millions of people are not Jihadists. In fact, there is no evidence of any widespread jihadi activity in Xinjiang. All this is is the illegitimate Chinese Communist Party's latest epic human rights abuse.

There is really no comparison. But it's fine, one day the Uighurs will have their justice. The United States will defeat China in the New Cold War. We will lay Communist China low like we did Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and the Soviet Union. We will see liberty flood into regions that the laughably named People's Liberation Army thinks is secure from it.

The American-led liberal international order is the only way in which man shall live. There will be no alternative. And all rivals to the Empire of Liberty will brought down and the people made free.

[telygroar]

你的中文说得很好。

/十个字

非常感谢你 ! ;p
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[Adam Jensen]

Well hopefully we can avoid WW3 despite Trumps best efforts to start it.

Though giving China more control over the world is REALLY REALLY bad for us.

As is giving Russia more control over the world.

Way to go Trumpsters!

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

I used to believe, as many Europeans do, that Americans are a bunch of arrogant assholes who believe they are much better then they actually are. What with their healthcare, insane consumerism culture, obsession with roads despite the crap infrastructure and so on.

I did not know that we were obsessed with roads lol

[Ghostpanther]

Any country which wants US troops there for defense, should pay in full, the costs of them being there. Only fair. Just like NATO, any member should pay it's share of the cost equally.

[Skroe]

Any country which wants US troops there for defense, should pay in full, the costs of them being there. Only fair. Just like NATO, any member should pay it's share of the cost equally.

And that's why we're not letting you decide foreign policy.

[Sorshen]

Any country which wants US troops there for defense, should pay in full, the costs of them being there. Only fair. Just like NATO, any member should pay it's share of the cost equally.

That's not how the US maintains its world superpower status. And it's this kind of thinking that's creating a stronger China.

[Ghostpanther]

That's not how the US maintains its world superpower status. And it's this kind of thinking that's creating a stronger China.

We do not have to have any troops overseas to be a superpower. The degree we are one, is based on how committed we are to having a powerful military at home. Korea is in the area. It is best if they can live in peace in the region by their own negotiations. Time for the US to stop trying to police the world. Does not prevent countries from joining the US in a defensive pact agreement.

[Saucexorzski]

And that's why we're not letting you decide foreign policy.

no we let two political parties that are interested only in fucking over the other half of the US repeatedly do that.

[Thekri]

The idea that this is a good time to put pressure on SK is insane. Trump is allegedly still trying to reach a deal with North Korea, who has been flagrantly launching missiles in violation of it. By weakening relations with the South Koreans at this critical moment we are seriously weakening our position there.

Then there is the question as to how the hell we arrived at that amount, which seems to have been pulled straight out of the President's ass. For clarity, keeping Troops in SK is not significantly more expensive then keeping them anywhere else. The current asking price is pure extortion.

[Draco-Onis]

And that's why we're not letting you decide foreign policy.

Amazing how many Trumpist want to turned our armed forces into a mercenary forces at the same time saying nothing about Saudi Arabia paying nothing for protection or calling Trump out for lying about that.

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The idea that this is a good time to put pressure on SK is insane. Trump is allegedly still trying to reach a deal with North Korea, who has been flagrantly launching missiles in violation of it. By weakening relations with the South Koreans at this critical moment we are seriously weakening our position there.

Then there is the question as to how the hell we arrived at that amount, which seems to have been pulled straight out of the President's ass. For clarity, keeping Troops in SK is not significantly more expensive then keeping them anywhere else. The current asking price is pure extortion.

Let's be frank Trump is trying to find an excuse to leave South Korea hanging as his masters want him to. This is Syria 2.0 except with even more dire consequences for the United States.

[Thekri]

Let's be frank Trump is trying to find an excuse to leave South Korea hanging as his masters want him to. This is Syria 2.0 except with even more dire consequences for the United States.

Exactly. This move and Syria both seem to be straight up willful destruction of US Foreign policy. The question seems to be is he doing it due to foreign pressure is he doing it out of pure petty spite against his national security advisors.

I think both are possible, but I would lean toward the second. Trump is thumbing his nose at any good advice he is given because he is a petulant child. The effects of this are monstrous. Thousands died in Syria in addition to weakening America's position in the region and reputation in the world. Now SK has the potential to be much worse, but in a practical sense it probably will be ok as long as Trump leaves office soon. If Trump stays to 2024 (Or later) then we are super screwed.

[mr jeko]

4 pages of this already?. Shows how obsessed people are with the U.S

Then again irrelevant outsiders need to use American phrases in order to stay relevant.
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[Draco-Onis]

Exactly. This move and Syria both seem to be straight up willful destruction of US Foreign policy. The question seems to be is he doing it due to foreign pressure is he doing it out of pure petty spite against his national security advisors.

I think both are possible, but I would lean toward the second. Trump is thumbing his nose at any good advice he is given because he is a petulant child. The effects of this are monstrous. Thousands died in Syria in addition to weakening America's position in the region and reputation in the world. Now SK has the potential to be much worse, but in a practical sense it probably will be ok as long as Trump leaves office soon. If Trump stays to 2024 (Or later) then we are super screwed.

Though I highly doubt we would see them his tax returns probably will make sense of everything going on right now. At the moment Donald Trump is losing money even with embezzling government funds with his vacations, bribes by foreign governments etc. The Trump organization still cannot get loans from banks, a good bet would be that all these governments are stuffing his pockets in one way or another.