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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Okay man, you do you.
    /Yawn

    Ad hominem

    Where's the report?

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    I'm waiting.

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    C'mon Aeula. !6,786 posts and you can't cope with some bantz. GG.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    I'll be voting Tory.

    I've read their manifesto and Boris' promises to repeal some of the laws that have been stifling free speech in this country give me hope. He's probably the first politician I've actually wanted to vote for. Ever.

    I sure as fuck will never touch Labour with a ten foot pole. Corbyn and his cronies are disgusting.
    You're talking about the Conservatives. The group that has the "Silent Majority." whome love to pull the shitty "Think of the children." card blockng shit from TV, on the streets from being spoken or shown.

  3. #23
    I'll be voting labour, The Tory manifesto is just filled to the brim with lies and utter deceit.

    Tbh we wouldn't be in the dire state of a country we are in if the Tories had not put us like this in the first place and them promising to reverse some of it is just more lies and propaganda the gullible will fall for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    I'll be voting Tory.

    I've read their manifesto and Boris' promises to repeal some of the laws that have been stifling free speech in this country give me hope. He's probably the first politician I've actually wanted to vote for. Ever.

    I sure as fuck will never touch Labour with a ten foot pole. Corbyn and his cronies are disgusting.
    It saddens me to see this sort of reason as to why you'd vote for Tories, They did this to us the expression is for the Tories right now is:

    "What they say and what they do are 2 different things"

    Please don't buy into their lies they've already had 9 years to make improvements to this country and instead they've made food bank usage higher, cut pension ages and universal credit is an abysmal failure but they still stand by it.

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    “Various sensible posters Lib Dem’s”?

    Who the fuck sensible votes for those duplicitous arse holes? They’re just soft Tories who are looking to get Tories in, except they won’t get soft Tories out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    I'll be voting Tory.

    I've read their manifesto and Boris' promises to repeal some of the laws that have been stifling free speech in this country give me hope. He's probably the first politician I've actually wanted to vote for. Ever.

    I sure as fuck will never touch Labour with a ten foot pole. Corbyn and his cronies are disgusting.
    Votes for free speech, gets their other fundamental freedoms crushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    You're talking about the Conservatives. The group that has the "Silent Majority." whome love to pull the shitty "Think of the children." card blockng shit from TV, on the streets from being spoken or shown.
    Yup, tories are usually shits for this sort of thing. But so are labour. And labour wants to go a step further by nationalising broadband. Imagine wanting the goverment to control what the majority of britain can see on the internet. To give the government such a stranglehold on information is insanely foolish. Even if you trust labour with it for whatever reason do you trust the parties that’ll get in after labour?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vantisara View Post
    Mail reader are we?

    Good luck with voting against your own interests. I'm sure that will work out when you can't afford cancer treatment for you or your family, after the Tories finish privatizing it.
    I’ve already got private healthcare cover. So we’ll do just fine thanks.

    You people really think Labour and their magic money tree will solve all your problems? How many new police officers were you supposed to be getting again? Labour certainly doesn’t remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Yup, tories are usually shits for this sort of thing. But so are labour. And labour wants to go a step further by nationalising broadband. Imagine wanting the goverment to control what the majority of britain can see on the internet. To give the government such a stranglehold on information is insanely foolish. Even if you trust labour with it for whatever reason do you trust the parties that’ll get in after labour?



    I’ve already got private healthcare cover. So we’ll do just fine thanks.

    You people really think Labour and their magic money tree will solve all your problems? How many new police officers were you supposed to be getting again? Labour certainly doesn’t remember.
    Wait you’re worried about nationalising broadband over control, but voting for the party that explicitly wants more controls and snooping powers?

    As for private healthcare. You’ll only have it so long as they’ll cover you. Those premiums go up, and eventually they stop covering when you’re starting to actually need it.

    Tory new police aren’t new police. They’re police they sacked over the last 10 years.

    Furthermore, the recruitment process has a 90% drop out rate. Where are the Tories going to find 200k applicants? If they haven’t put numbers, it’s because it’s a pie in the sky proposal, like everything else, the Tories are offering.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    "We can't have a second referendum because voting until you get the results you want is bad."

    "Also, let's have another general election because we want to keep voting until we get the results we want."
    To be fair, it is standard practise for a goverment without a majority to call for a general election or get ousted with a vote of no confidence and go the a GE.

    Even without brexit, a goverment does need a majority.

  8. #28
    Lib Dems, green or pissing on my ballot, haven't decided which yet.

    Only thing corbyn or bojo will ever get off me is a punch in chops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But the Conservatives DID have a majority, May just squandered it with the previous early election.
    Yuuup. But they don't anymore. So we need a GE anyway for some majority to come about as no goverment can rule for long without a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Lib Dems, green or pissing on my ballot, haven't decided which yet.

    Only thing corbyn or bojo will ever get off me is a punch in chops.

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    Yuuup. But they don't anymore. So we need a GE anyway for some majority to come about as no goverment can rule for long without a majority.
    So you’re voting Tory then.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    So you’re voting Tory then.
    No im voting LibDem or green or spoiling my ballot.

    Don't be one of those "so what your saying is" creeps the world dosnt work in binarys

    And considering only the lib Dems have ever beaten the Conservatives in my Constituancy, voting Labour is actually the biggest waste of a vote for me.
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  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Vantisara View Post
    Sorry but you aren't fooling any one. You are such a cliche.
    Says the guy who makes burner accounts every day to dodge there perma ban.

    If you can't even put a single alias to your opinions then there not opinions worth taking seriously.

    And if we're talking cliché, you fit the sad, bitter, little old socialist to a T. Some one not worth listening to or taking seriously.
    Last edited by Monster Hunter; 2019-11-25 at 11:25 AM.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Vantisara View Post
    I'm just saying it is obvious, don't get upset. It is like that really camp guy everyone knows that thinks no one guesses he's gay, when everyone does know and no one cares.
    Upset?

    Why would I be. No one takes you seriously so who cares. Your like the old racist guy down the pub, full of hate and shit but ultimately harmless and will stumble home after a couple pints.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Vantisara View Post
    I'm having enormous fun thanks.
    Ofc, thats because you're just a troll. We all know it, that's why we don't take you seriously, and why you use burner accounts.

    If your opinion was worth even a basic shit, you would at least stake your reputation on it, but you don't, so why should any one take anything you say seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    No im voting LibDem or green or spoiling my ballot.

    Don't be one of those "so what your saying is" creeps the world dosnt work in binarys

    And considering only the lib Dems have ever beaten the Conservatives in my Constituancy, voting Labour is actually the biggest waste of a vote for me.
    “It’s not about binaries except my own constituency is a binary between Tory and Lib Dem”.

    Okay.

    Drop that tactical vote in then.

  15. #35
    Slopgarthforthgarth has my vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Although the more I see of ... the rest of them the more attractive the spoil your ballot option becomes.
    I suggested this was what I'd probably do and most of my friends lost their shit, thought it was worse than not turning up.
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    Posting here is primarily a way to strengthen your own viewpoint against common counter-arguments.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    “It’s not about binaries except my own constituency is a binary between Tory and Lib Dem”.

    Okay.

    Drop that tactical vote in then.
    Well its isn't about binarys.

    If a party dosnt have the policy's you agree with then you simply don't vote for them, if you do vote for them just to spite there opposition then on your heads be it when those policy's get implemented and what ever you foresaw or disagreed about them happens.

    I don't like labour's policy's because I can see them all backfiring and screwing over the people there intended to help, I trust the IFS. And I don't trust corbyn, I think he's a rather stupid individual who shouldn't be the overseer of implementing such large and complex changes.

    Hat my belife and as such I cannot in good consiance vote for him just because I also hate bojo and the Conservatives. Unlike brexiteers hate is not enough of a motivator for me to risk jumping of a cliff edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Well its isn't about binarys.

    If a party dosnt have the policy's you agree with then you simply don't vote for them, if you do vote for them just to spite there opposition then on your heads be it when those policy's get implemented and what ever you foresaw or disagreed about them happens.
    It's how it should work, but not how it actually works. And it's 5 years before any message you were trying to send was taken on board.

    I don't like labour's policy's because I can see them all backfiring and screwing over the people there intended to help, I trust the IFS. And I don't trust corbyn, I think he's a rather stupid individual who shouldn't be the overseer of implementing such large and complex changes.

    Hat my belife and as such I cannot in good consiance vote for him just because I also hate bojo and the Conservatives. Unlike brexiteers hate is not enough of a motivator for me to risk jumping of a cliff edge.
    The IFS is more critical of the Tory and Lib Dem policy. Particularly in that they say they'll spend more but have nothing in return. Labour policy invests in capital, which not only returns money to the exchequer, but also provides solidity to borrow against.

    Corbyn would not be a dictator of policy, it's been very clear for the past few years that it is not the case. Indeed the way the Labour party now function, because of Blair, he could not be a dictator of policy; removing him would make little to no difference as to what Labour policy would entail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    It's how it should work, but not how it actually works. And it's 5 years before any message you were trying to send was taken on board.


    The IFS is more critical of the Tory and Lib Dem policy. Particularly in that they say they'll spend more but have nothing in return. Labour policy invests in capital, which not only returns money to the exchequer, but also provides solidity to borrow against.

    Corbyn would not be a dictator of policy, it's been very clear for the past few years that it is not the case. Indeed the way the Labour party now function, because of Blair, he could not be a dictator of policy; removing him would make little to no difference as to what Labour policy would entail.
    Labour needs to purge its self of its 70s Labour anti eu relics, before I will trust it enough to vote for it. And I will never vote for large scale nationalisation as though I think a smart goverment I charge of nationalised industry's can work our track record on running nationalised company's has been abysmal in the past and the current leaders of Labour are the same dusty old white men that lead to the power cuts and collapses of our nationalised industry's the last time round.

    And those leaders do make a difference, as you saw from the conference the majority of Labour wants to back remain but corbyn has gone against the party by not adopting that as policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Labour needs to purge its self of its 70s Labour anti eu relics, before I will trust it enough to vote for it. And I will never vote for large scale nationalisation as though I think a smart goverment I charge of nationalised industry's can work our track record on running nationalised company's has been abysmal in the past and the current leaders of Labour are the same dusty old white men that lead to the power cuts and collapses of our nationalised industry's the last time round.

    And those leaders do make a difference, as you saw from the conference the majority of Labour wants to back remain but corbyn has gone against the party by not adopting that as policy.
    It's kind of a myth that they were ever run badly, they were intentionally underfunded and resourced exactly as you can see in the NHS to promote the idea of privatisation. We privatised the water companies, now we just have local monopolies who suck that money out to shareholders, meanwhile we still have to oversee much of their work through the Environment Agency.

    We privatised transport, they formed local monopolies, and they need to be overseen and organised by local transport authorities.

    We privatised energy, while unable to form monopolies, they work as cartels fixing prices, and expoiting those who don't switch every 12 months.

    Broadband providers function in exactly the same way.

    Many areas, particularly in areas with heavy student populations function similarly for housing.

    These are not services that work to a free market economy, because they're essential services. You use them because you have to pick one and you have to use it. Health is much the same, only that's an even more closed shop because you can't switch hospitals mid-way through a heart attack.

    It's about recognising you've got to pay for these things one way or another, and the free market simply cannot give you a choice, because it lacks the infrastructure, it lacks the scales required to make it happen. If you have to fork out £50 for broadband, £25 for water, £50 for gas and electricity; these are not the same discretionary expenditure as going for a Starbucks of Cafe Nero for your morning coffee.

    As a business, their function is no more than to collect the rent for these services. The infrastructure requires state-level spending to supply and install, something private industry does not have. Why the hell should private industry be collecting rent from state bought infrastructure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    It's kind of a myth that they were ever run badly, they were intentionally underfunded and resourced exactly as you can see in the NHS to promote the idea of privatisation. We privatised the water companies, now we just have local monopolies who suck that money out to shareholders, meanwhile we still have to oversee much of their work through the Environment Agency.

    We privatised transport, they formed local monopolies, and they need to be overseen and organised by local transport authorities.

    We privatised energy, while unable to form monopolies, they work as cartels fixing prices, and expoiting those who don't switch every 12 months.

    Broadband providers function in exactly the same way.

    Many areas, particularly in areas with heavy student populations function similarly for housing.

    These are not services that work to a free market economy, because they're essential services. You use them because you have to pick one and you have to use it. Health is much the same, only that's an even more closed shop because you can't switch hospitals mid-way through a heart attack.

    It's about recognising you've got to pay for these things one way or another, and the free market simply cannot give you a choice, because it lacks the infrastructure, it lacks the scales required to make it happen. If you have to fork out £50 for broadband, £25 for water, £50 for gas and electricity; these are not the same discretionary expenditure as going for a Starbucks of Cafe Nero for your morning coffee.

    As a business, their function is no more than to collect the rent for these services. The infrastructure requires state-level spending to supply and install, something private industry does not have. Why the hell should private industry be collecting rent from state bought infrastructure?
    If that is the case and it was underfunding not poor management tha lead to the power cuts and poor performance of our nationalised industry's then that is also the fault of Labour. Befor thatcher took power the preceeding dacade bar a single year of Conservative goverment was Labour.

    1964 to 1977 was Labour dominated bar a single year, 1970.

    What is clear is that our goverment has a very bad track record with running nationalised industry's.

    And further more what is the point of spending some silly amount of cash to forcibly buy out these company's (the legality of which is still unclear) only for them to likly be Re privatised when the political winds next change?

    I sometimes do wonder mostly when talking to Americans but also now and then others if people seems to forget that the games not over when a socialist gets power, unfortunately for corbyn he can't suspend democracy when he gets power and you only hae 4 years maximum untill you need to fight again for votes.

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