Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Kiri]

The Bible does exactly that, you realise. Women are to be silent in church & obey their husbands, sodomy is sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance, and different peoples should generally not mix (note: being nice to strangers/visitors is good, but this is not the same as immigration or intermarriage). What I suspect you're hearing is the usual watered-down, inoffensive pap that much more worldly people are selling.
"Discrimination" is a morally neutral term. Do you prefer apples or oranges? Which party will you vote for? On and on it goes.
I wasn't thinking of going so far back as to pre-1833 (ie, when slavery was legal) days, TBH.
Human rights have, whatever their intent, been a net negative. I'd much rather go back to basing things on natural law, and recognising that civil (ie manmade) law cannot supersede it.
When it comes to human rights though, basically the evolution goes something like this:
Natural law + English common law = rights of Englishmen. Mutates into rights of man in the US Constitution, which was written by a bunch of Brits, and then exported post-WW2 everywhere.
However, an awful lot of the world has never developed the cultural, legal and yes, phenotypic groundwork for that. From what I've seen and heard, the Chinese for example generally just think differently to most Europeans, and the same seems to apply to many other groups around the world. Point is, it's not unreasonable to suppose that a one-size-fits-all system will work better in some places than others. To give a simple example or two, consider average low/high time preferences, or whether a society is a low or high trust one. Those things will have a huge impact on the viability of a legal system developed in one tiny corner of the world.

Yeah, the bible says something like that in a few places. But you don't exactly see the pope ranting on about that. He seems to be looking into female Diakons, even. And he is the highest authority in interpreting the bible, so I think I will stick to that. People that stick only to the word of the bible tend to only stick to the passages that further their agenda, anyway. Usually, the whole 'love your enemies' and 'turn the other cheek' part springs to mind. But I guess that is just inoffensive pap or whatever, since it's not any of the stuff you brought up.

And yeah, they abolished slavery a bit before that. Torture was still a thing, though.

Please, don't try to play word games with me. We both know that the discrimination I refer to was not

2: the quality or power of finely distinguishing
- the film viewed by those with discrimination
3: the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating
a bloodhound's scent discrimination
b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

but rather

1a: prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment
- racial discrimination
b: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually

Both from Miriam Webster.

Me preferring Apples to Oranges has no negative impact on other people. It being socially accepted that people with a slightly different skin colour are refused to work/live in any but the worst places/positions, that does. If you believe that is okay then, again, it's probably because you don't have to fear facing discrimination yourself.

As for the net negative you speak of, I don't buy it. So far, you haven't really given good arguments as to why it has been 'toxic' or 'corrosive', other than just claiming they are. People think differently about many things, yes, but usually we value our own lives, freedoms, health and being treated fairly. The biggest difference is usually in how much we value those of others. But that's not limited to cultures. There's more than enough people, even right now, that don't give a toss about the well-being of others and would gladly mistreat them in the time period you would like to see come back.

However, I would say this is going quite a bit off topic. You have made your position on the issue more than clear, and neither of us will convince the other to begin with. The discussion itself could be worthwhile, but is only somewhat tangentially related to the topic at hand to begin with, as the action that the man had been convicted of was one that broke federal law to begin with and as such doesn't really warrant a deliberation regarding human rights to begin with. I suggest to just leave it at that.

[RangerDaz]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...mpaign-for-him



What a scumbag.

You know the best irony about that?

It is actually another QUID PRO QUO.

lol

(i freed you from jail, and now you work for me)

[Skroe]

A bishop in The Cult just engaged in a "What I really meant was..."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ce-i-was-wrong

Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) on Monday walked back comments in which he said Ukraine could have been responsible for the 2016 hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

But the Louisiana senator doubled down on the unsubstantiated theory that Ukraine may have tried to interfere in other ways, saying that there is “proven and unproven” evidence that both Ukraine and Russia meddled in the election.

Appearing on CNN, Kennedy acknowledged that he was "wrong" to say just a day prior that there weren't definitive answers on who hacked the DNC ahead of the 2016 election. Kennedy claimed he'd misheard a question from Fox News anchor Chris Wallace while appearing on "Fox News Sunday," causing him to answer incorrectly.

"I was answering one of his questions, and he interjected with a statement and asked me to react to it. What I heard Chris say was only Russia tried to interfere in the election, and I answered the question. That’s not what he said," Kennedy said on CNN's "Cuomo Prime Time," noting that Wallace's question focused on DNC servers.

"Chris is right. I was wrong," he said. "The only evidence I have, and I think it’s overwhelming, is that it was Russia who tried to hack the DNC computer. I’ve seen no indication that Ukraine tried to do it."

The U.S. intelligence community has concluded that Russia sought to interfere in the election to harm Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's candidacy and help Trump.

Wallace noted the intelligence community's conclusion in Sunday's interview, but Kennedy pushed back, saying that "it could also be Ukraine." There is no evidence Ukraine had any role in the DNC hack.

[Paranoid Android]

In another wtf are you talking about moron? We have the idiot boasting about only he could have gotten this commemorative coin done celebrating the centennial of Woman's Suffrage.

I guess he doesn't understand centennial means 100 years, so tough for Obama or previous Presidents to have signed this.

"I'm curious why wasn't it done a long time ago? And also, I guess the answer to that is because now I'm president, we get things done."

President Trump signs the Woman's Suffrage Centennial Coin Act. https://t.co/jkcOCzQyNa

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...166874112?s=19

[omerome]

In another wtf are you talking about moron? We have the idiot boasting about only he could have gotten this commemorative coin done celebrating the centennial of Woman's Suffrage.

I guess he doesn't understand centennial means 100 years, so tough for Obama or previous Presidents to have signed this.



https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...166874112?s=19

He really is an idiot. Why does everything have to be him vs. everyone else? And frankly, for someone who supposedly reads more than most people according to Sarah Sanders, it is amazing how much he doesn't know.

[Belize]

He really is an idiot. Why does everything have to be him vs. everyone else? And frankly, for someone who supposedly reads more than most people according to Sarah Sanders, it is amazing how much he doesn't know.

Malignant Narcissism:

Kernberg described malignant narcissism as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and egosyntonic aggression. Other symptoms may include an absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity).

[omerome]

Malignant Narcissism:

Yes, he does check all of those boxes, for sure.

The guy in the white house is so desperate for praise that he doesn't even know what he is signing. Just that people are smiling in his presence. Now, that's pathetic.

[Paranoid Android]

A bishop in The Cult just engaged in a "What I really meant was..."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ce-i-was-wrong

Well Kennedy was able to tell the truth fed to the Fox viewers then knew he couldn't be embarrassed going out in the real world.

Oh btw..

Tucker: "Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? I'm serious. Why shouldn't I root for Russia? Which by the way I am." https://t.co/OQopoxPYD9

https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/...955466753?s=19

Video embedded.

So Carlson went full pro Russia on his show. I read later that he must have gotten feedback on this statement and at the end of his show he of course was 'just kidding'.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Did you guys discuss that Nunes (House minority leader) went to Vienna in december 2018 and allegedly met with Shokin, the former state general prosecutor in Ukraine who was fired for corruption. One of Giulianis henchmen, Lev Parnas, is willing to testify that this meeting was about getting "dirt" on Biden. There’s also public records of Nunes traveling to Vienna from November 30th and December 3rd 2018 because Numes filed for expenses for himself and 3 aids, one of the aids was Derek Harvey... a former Trump advisor who has tried to leak the whistleblowers identity several times as Harvey is currently working under Nunes on the House Intelligence Comittee.

So... (IF ALL OF THIS IS TRUE) the "chief defendant" of Trump in the impeachment hearings is potentially involved in the same crimes as Trump is being investigated for...
If this is true, emphasis on if, then this stinks even more than I thought possible.
Nunes has rejected to answer these claims to both CNN and Fox News, not rejected the claims ...but rejected to answer the question.

[Tenlo]

In another wtf are you talking about moron? We have the idiot boasting about only he could have gotten this commemorative coin done celebrating the centennial of Woman's Suffrage.

I guess he doesn't understand centennial means 100 years, so tough for Obama or previous Presidents to have signed this.



https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...166874112?s=19

Finally a president with amazing and accurate timing to sign something celebration a 100 year old achievement Obama and the dummycrats couldn't get it done only Trump could!

Am I magaing right???

[Z-Man]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...mpaign-for-him

What a scumbag.

He wants his killing machines to report to him, not to their officers.

[Thekri]

In another wtf are you talking about moron? We have the idiot boasting about only he could have gotten this commemorative coin done celebrating the centennial of Woman's Suffrage.

I guess he doesn't understand centennial means 100 years, so tough for Obama or previous Presidents to have signed this.



https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...166874112?s=19

I look forward to the release of a new Trump line of Centennial coins, as he releases Centennial Coins for 9/11, the Signing of the Declaration of Independence, and of course, Trump's "Landslide" Election to Dictator/President for Life! He could release more, but I am pretty sure those are the only historical events he is aware of.

I highly doubt any of his toady's will bother to point out what the word "Centennial" means.

[Paranoid Android]

Getting my boys trained up on how to use a gun in the unlikely event @BernieSanders beats @realDonaldTrump in 2020. In which case knowing how to effectively use a gun under socialism will be a must. By the way most the head shots were theirs. @NRA @WatchChad #2ndAmendment https://t.co/6xUsS7ciX3

https://twitter.com/aubrey_huff/stat...658553857?s=19

Former Major League Baseball player posting his belief in political assassination.

I'm sure our pearl clutches like Zenkai will have a thread out on this very soon to show his independent streak of violence on both sides.

[nonameelf]

https://twitter.com/aubrey_huff/stat...658553857?s=19

Former Major League Baseball player posting his belief in political assassination.

I'm sure our pearl clutches like Zenkai will have a thread out on this very soon to show his independent streak of violence on both sides.

I reported his tweet for promoting violence.

[PACOX]

https://twitter.com/aubrey_huff/stat...658553857?s=19

Former Major League Baseball player posting his belief in political assassination.

I'm sure our pearl clutches like Zenkai will have a thread out on this very soon to show his independent streak of violence on both sides.

I don't think he meant that he would shoot someone. I only care to make that point because its what ops would zero on instead of addressing why the tweet is problematic. He is saying that Bernie's economics will cause economic collapse (which I don't agree with) to the point that you may need to arm yourself against people looking to steal from you.

What it does do is embolden those bad people who might commit political violence. Its a dog whistle that some idiots use in their manifestos to send bombs across the nation or shoot up shopping centers.

Is the distinction really that important? Might not be.

[Dontrike]

https://twitter.com/aubrey_huff/stat...658553857?s=19

Former Major League Baseball player posting his belief in political assassination.

I'm sure our pearl clutches like Zenkai will have a thread out on this very soon to show his independent streak of violence on both sides.

This is how afraid they are, Bernie hasn't been chosen yet and we're a year away from the election. Why do so many Trumpsters have so many monsters under their bed?

[Kaleredar]

This is how afraid they are, Bernie hasn't been chosen yet and we're a year away from the election. Why do so many Trumpsters have so many monsters under their bed?

Well look at how scared they are of Biden. Look at all the congressional time and effort they've been wasting attempting to smear him with this Ukraine nonsense in their efforts to distract from Trump.

[Dontrike]

Well look at how scared they are of Biden. Look at all the congressional time and effort they've been wasting attempting to smear him with this Ukraine nonsense in their efforts to distract from Trump.

They're scared of practically everyone that's slightly left of them. Hillary, Warren, Biden, Sanders, AOC, bathrooms, coffee cups, people not saying Merry Christmas, McCain, and anyone that doesn't fully agree with Trump.

Every night they need mummy and daddy to check under their bed and in their closet to make sure the "evil socialism" isn't getting in their way of their socialism to the 1%.

[Paranoid Android]

If you thought the War on Christmas was enough we have a new one!


Trump starts his rally by saying liberals don't want Thanksgiving to be called Thanksgiving

Who has their money on Easter next year that Trump will claim is a war?

[Dontrike]

If you thought the War on Christmas was enough we have a new one!


Trump starts his rally by saying liberals don't want Thanksgiving to be called Thanksgiving

Who has their money on Easter next year that Trump will claim is a war?

Next he'll be complaining about talk like a pirate day.