‘There’s something terribly wrong’: Americans are dying young at alarming rates

[Poopymonster]

It's almost like a privatized health care system leads to more people dying...

The industry prefers to use the term "cost cutting corpses" to "people dying".
It make them sound responsible or something.

[Vash The Stampede]

It's almost like we had a major economic recession and then things just never got better for the working class. Meanwhile, the rich barely felt it at all, got massive amounts of money from the government, and then continued to pillage the working class.

I'm at a complete loss for why there'd be an increase in suicide and drug/alcohol abuse among the working class.

Just what I was about to say. The 2008 recession never went away, and Americans are working harder to maintain a crappy lifestyle. Obama failed to put the 2008 recession's burden onto the 1%. By putting the recessions burden onto the people, it has eroded away their sanity. By claiming our economy is doing great, it has driven people into deeper depressions, as they see no light at the end of their tunnel.

[Rasulis]

The recession obviously was a factor. When you look at the “Supplemental” section of the study where they show the data from each state, all cause of mortalities among prime age group exhibited retrogression, declining until 2009 - 2012 before slowing the rate of decline, leveling out or beginning to rise again.

Drug overdose showed the highest increase followed by alcohol related liver disease, suicide and hypertension. There were some factors that were unique to certain group, such as brain cancer (56% increase) in Asian and Pacific Islanders. On the other hand suicide rate among Asian and Pacific Islanders only showed a small increase.

A companion study shows that states with high immigrant population appear to have a built-in resiliency. Which may explain why California, despite being the hardest hit by the recession, did not show an increase in prime age mortality rate. Although the rate of decline did fall off sharply. Texas and New York with their high immigrant population also have the lowest increase in prime age mortality rate.

The Indian tribes in California are also in better position economically than the rest of the nation. Which helps explain why mortality rate among California Indian tribes is a fraction of the nation. The fact that CA tribes account for more than 25% of US' Indian gaming revenue may have something to do with their prosperity.

States with high income tax also tend to have lower prime age mortality rate. Why? No idea. Maybe because they have better support services for the lower income segment of their population.

[arandomuser]

LOL republicans voting against their own interest as usual, blue states and their safety nets and regulations keep people alive, meanwhile midwest and south awful. the entire US is gentrificating and the red states are being left behind because of their irrational hatred, oh and their savior donald sped up the process.. But instead of bettering themselves by supporting a democrat they decide to burn down the country and sellout to russia.

I can only feel happy when i see people in those states suffer, if new york were nuked by russia they would all be on 4 chan celebrating "dead libs" how great putin is

[lockybalboa]

If you are talking about suicides it is not a surprise

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LOL republicans voting against their own interest as usual, blue states and their safety nets and regulations keep people alive, meanwhile midwest and south awful. the entire US is gentrificating and the red states are being left behind because of their irrational hatred, oh and their savior donald sped up the process.. But instead of bettering themselves by supporting a democrat they decide to burn down the country and sellout to russia.

I can only feel happy when i see people in those states suffer, if new york were nuked by russia they would all be on 4 chan celebrating "dead libs" how great putin is

Both sides hate the poor. There isn't a party for them. Democrats destroy their buying power constantly by depressing the wages by promoting unskilled immigration into a country that already has to many unskilled workers. Republicans simply don't care.

For the working poor they don't really have much of a choice its a damned if you do damned if you don't

[arandomuser]

Both sides hate the poor. There isn't a party for them. Democrats destroy their buying power constantly by depressing the wages by promoting unskilled immigration into a country that already has to many unskilled workers. Republicans simply don't care.

For the working poor they don't really have much of a choice its a damned if you do damned if you don't

or how about we raise the minimum wage, to a living wage, like NY and california are doing, nationwide, so everyone makes more money? oh wait republicans including the working class savior messiah trump dont want that. And then you are going to say "well illegals work under the radar" What if i told you if you gave illegal workers documentation they would accept it and stop working under the radar because they wont fear deportation. Oh and lets not forget don the con also employed illegals at mar alago

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Oh and if someone makes low wages or loses a job wouldnt it be nice if they had programs like food stamps to help them? oh wait don implemented a work requirement, hey just lost your job and cant afford food? sry you need a job to get food stamps GL So many e xamples of republican policies hurting "forgotten communities" but they care more about their racial identity politics more than economics, and thats the hard truth people still havent accepted

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or how about we raise the minimum wage, to a living wage, like NY and california are doing, nationwide, so everyone makes more money? oh wait republicans including the working class savior messiah trump dont want that. And then you are going to say "well illegals work under the radar" What if i told you if you gave illegal workers documentation they would accept it and stop working under the radar because they wont fear deportation. Oh and lets not forget don the con also employed illegals at mar alago

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Oh and if someone makes low wages or loses a job wouldnt it be nice if they had programs like food stamps to help them? oh wait don implemented a work requirement, hey just lost your job and cant afford food? sry you need a job to get food stamps GL So many e xamples of republican policies hurting "forgotten communities" but they care more about their racial identity politics more than economics, and thats the hard truth people still havent accepted

If you simply raise the living wage the market will simply rise to match it and those few unskilled laborers who managed to ink out a bit above the old minimum wage will now be below it. You in effect just worsen the problem. The issue isn't the numbers on your check. It is how much those numbers can buy.

Nether side cares because it is a extremely costly problem to address and it is counteractive to their ideologies.

[arandomuser]

If you simply raise the living wage the market will simply rise to match it and those few unskilled laborers who managed to ink out a bit above the old minimum wage will now be below it. You in effect just worsen the problem. The issue isn't the numbers on your check. It is how much those numbers can buy.

Nether side cares because it is a extremely costly problem to address and it is counteractive to their ideologies.

well iguess if both sides are 100% equal we'll never know why new york and calfornia are so successful and wealthy compared to alabama and kansas, i guess its just luck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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well iguess if both sides are 100% equal we'll never know why new york and calfornia are so successful and wealthy compared to alabama and kansas, i guess its just luck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you now trying to compare the wealthiest of the wealthy to make a argument for why the working poor have it worse...?

[Weeps]

Clearly, the system in the USA isn't working.

People are getting angry here in the USA.

To prevent putting the US Gov't in a guillotine, you have to give something that makes the greatest amount of people happy.

This is what historians call, "guillotine insurance," something that is enacted to prevent the decapitation of political leaders/monarchy.

For the US to be truly happy as a country:

1) Single payer healthcare
2) Minimum wage affords you a 1 bedroom apartment, utilities and food.
3) Much more punitive taxes on people who make more than 2 million. Nobody and I mean nobody needs a billion dollars.
4) Remove lobbying in politics, give more power to voters to remove/replace politicans with "vote of confidence" like in the UK.

[Xarkan]

Both sides hate the poor. There isn't a party for them.

Probably it seems that way because both sides are on the same side..

[crewskater]

Yep working as intended, human beings voting against their own interest, voting against better healthcare while insurance premiums still going up anyways. The chance to curb it and provide access to better health was rejected, it's going to get worse.

Some only thought it was just mental health support was terrible.

Weird how there was no improvement under Obamacare. This has nothing to do with insurance and availability. People making poor choices is the biggest factor. Lack of schooling and poor diet are lifestyle choices, not something the government needs to control for you.

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Its called "capitalism".

Wasn't it china that had to put up suicide nets outside some businesses?

[Queen of Hamsters]

Well, people are bound to just give up on life when they're told by everyone that counts in society that if you're poor, it's a you issue and nothing you'll do can ever drag you out of your hole cuz u lazy.

Weird how there was no improvement under Obamacare. This has nothing to do with insurance and availability. People making poor choices is the biggest factor. Lack of schooling and poor diet are lifestyle choices, not something the government needs to control for you.

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Wasn't it china that had to put up suicide nets outside some businesses?

Leninist Capitalism.

Not much better, really.

[Endus]

If you simply raise the living wage the market will simply rise to match it

That has literally never happened with any prior minimum wage increase. Why would it suddenly be true for a new one?

Fact-averse myths aren't arguments.

Plus, it's simple to address. Just tie the minimum wage to the cost of living index.

[JohnBrown1917]

And here was me thinking that all the long living countries in the world were capitalistic.

Oh wait, they are.

Yet the average healthy lifespan in the US has fallen below that of Cuba, a poor country.


And yeah, as it turns out, the countries that expliot the global south tend to better off, who knew?

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Weird how there was no improvement under Obamacare. This has nothing to do with insurance and availability. People making poor choices is the biggest factor. Lack of schooling and poor diet are lifestyle choices, not something the government needs to control for you.

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Wasn't it china that had to put up suicide nets outside some businesses?

State capitalism is just as horrible, yes.

[Calfredd]

Wasn't it china that had to put up suicide nets outside some businesses?

And Japan.

[Vash The Stampede]

If you simply raise the living wage the market will simply rise to match it and those few unskilled laborers who managed to ink out a bit above the old minimum wage will now be below it. You in effect just worsen the problem. The issue isn't the numbers on your check. It is how much those numbers can buy.

Nether side cares because it is a extremely costly problem to address and it is counteractive to their ideologies.

That's a problem of inflation. You raise the minimum wage because inflation has raised the cost of living. If by raising the minimum wage the companies continue to raise the cost of living, then that's inflation working as intended. If you don't want this problem then stop inflation.

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Wasn't it china that had to put up suicide nets outside some businesses?

Guess why? If the Chinese are making products for our businesses, then it's... capitalisms fault.

[PC2]

I don't blame this on government I blame this on parents. Most parents raise their kids in backwards and brutish ways and then they're shocked when their kids turn out to be fuckups.

[Shadowferal]

Adding to the prior page; American jobs are getting worse, a new index shows

Although the U.S. is on a record streak for job creation, many Americans still feel like they can't get ahead. It's not their imagination. The past three decades have seen the economy churn out more and more jobs that offer inadequate pay, a group of researchers found.

"The history of private-sector employment in the U.S. over the past three decades is one of overall degradation in the ability of many American jobs to support households — even those with multiple jobholders," they wrote.

"In 1990, the jobs were pretty much evenly divided," said Daniel Alpert, a founder of Westwood Capital and one of the creators of the index. In the process of running the numbers, he said, "We discovered that 63% of all jobs that were created since 1990 were low-wage, low-hour jobs. That was a pretty stunning statistic."

"There aren't enough 'good jobs' to go around," the Brookings Institution proclaimed earlier this month, when it released a report that found 44% of all workers are low-wage workers. These workers make a median pay of just $18,000 a year.

"Academia is trying to make sense of all these conflicting signals, you have a very tight unemployment rate but low labor force participation relative to prior cycles, low levels of wage growth, and everyone scratching their head and saying, 'How is this so?' " Alpert explained.

He hopes that academics, as well as investors and policy makers, become a regular audience for the index. If it had existed in 2018, he said, "the Fed would not have made the mistake of raising interest rates."