[UK] General Election 2019

[Shadowmelded]

"Occasionally toxic atmosphere" that line was so eye brow raising at the time... Like.... There's no problem but now and then some one shouts filthy jew, just ignore that though its occasional....

No need to exaggerate to make it seem worse. The report listed the usual stereotypes being used by some and the term "zio" (short for zionist) as a pejorative.

Thing is perpotional to the number of Jews in Labour and that many expelled where high ranking members it's actualy significant.

The number of Jews in Labour doesn't make the party more antisemitic for having less antisemites than other parties or the general population...

[Doctor Amadeus]

Ooof

Labour's more left than the Democrats.

Lib Dems are center left and more like your Dems

Greens between the two.

But who you vote for really depends where you are.

So there's party's like the snp and plaid who are left wing but also nationalists, they get a big vote share int here areas sometimes.

Northern Ireland has only unionist and republican parties.

In England the choices locally really are, lib dem v tory or lib dem v Labour as swinging from Labour to tory is often to big a step for most.

You need to pick. A constituency befor some one could say what you want to do.

Spoilt votes also do get counted and are a legit option in the UK.

Yeah I am not a nationalist as it pertains to anything other than culture unless that culture is dependent on segregation based racism, sexism and homophobia.


However if it's national and based on culture concerning value systems and peoples choices, I am not opposed to that.

I am Liberal in that I believe in parts of the whole and fair representation and access people should be able to live, love and work in the way they see fit provided it does no harm to others.

In terms of economics, I believe in every man being defined by their merit, every human being has a right to the basics otherwise there is no point in calling ourselves human as opposed to simply just animals.

Civilization means Healthcare, Basic Food, Shelter and needs being met for everyone, however everything else ought to be earned.


And just like Nationalism, it depends on the situation, I believe socialism can work in some ways. But that is it.


Freedom to choose, but science and facts over everything else when it comes to the state.


So based on your description sounds like I should vote Liberal Democrats, although how does that play out in the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't ever vote NDP over Liberals in Canada for example because outside of some agreements.

I really had coalition governments. It's almost worse than the two party system where nothing gets done.

When you have more than 2 parties you get fracture government, so instead of tit for tat when things get done they happen very very slowly. Which over all might be a good thing, but while I love Canada, the multiparty system has cause Canada to lag be hind on a few things.

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Spoiling a ballot isn't a vote for any one. It's a indication that you are dissatisfied with all candidates.

It's a no vote, but gets counted. It's a protest.

Yeah democracy fails on two fronts, when Education fails and when Citizenry fail to get involved to take a personal vested interested. Nobody likes politics, nobody likes mowing their lawn, cleaning their house, organizing their offices.

But you do it because it is what needs to be done, and those chores are made even worse when you have those who bitch an moan because they can't be bothered to do that much, then complain it's too hard or frustrating because they get behind.

This is how I view protest voting, yes it is hard, yes it requires adults to DO something and work things out, if people care as much about the issues well then all the other shit people worry too much about can take a back seat.

This is your country, this is your livelihood.

Again it isn't hard, but it is work, and people either need to be of that mind and mindful when they participate or stop bitching, and protest voting.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Hmms...

Should I have enabled the option on the poll where we can see who's voted?

Is someone creating Tory alts? Seems most un-MMOC-like.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Sorry mate, I had my tongue up my arse deliberately. Wasn't really being serious.

Look - chaos is what we have in the UK already. The entire system is failing. Adversarial politics at its worst. The UK is a laughing stock.

I've voted in every national election since I was able to. Not once has my vote counted towards the balance of power in parliament.

So this time - yep, I'm going to spoil my vote.

See https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...t-post-failed/

Edit...

Yes, yes. I know about minority parties. Bring them to the table. Dialogue. Debate. Consensus. Not this infantile, food-flinging we have at the moment.

Yeah and when this action fucks you over even more and kicks the can down the road, the very people that did this shit will be the first to cry about it, or come later complaining about the status quo, especially when they had SOME choice no matter how shitty.

Not making a choice or protest voting is juvenile and shows a lack of maturity, at least where I am from. Granted people like to bitch about the Main Stream Media shit as though that is the only option to get vetted real information about elections and being involved, at least in the U.S. But again if shit matters to you like you know the way you LIVE, then you don't just protest vote.


The real alternative in the end is War, which is also something too many people bitch about not wanting but in a heart beat are willing to lean back on their fat asses and let other people die for. People got to DO the Work, it's not HARD but it has to be done, it's part of being an adult.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Yeah and when this action fucks you over even more and kicks the can down the road, the very people that did this shit will be the first to cry about it, or come later complaining about the status quo, especially when they had SOME choice no matter how shitty.

Not making a choice or protest voting is juvenile and shows a lack of maturity, at least where I am from. Granted people like to bitch about the Main Stream Media shit as though that is the only option to get vetted real information about elections and being involved, at least in the U.S. But again if shit matters to you like you know the way you LIVE, then you don't just protest vote.


The real alternative in the end is War, which is also something too many people bitch about not wanting but in a heart beat are willing to lean back on their fat asses and let other people die for. People got to DO the Work, it's not HARD but it has to be done, it's part of being an adult.

Did you not understand what I wrote?

There is no point me voting for my party's candidate as I live in a Conservative safe seat.

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Please try and grasp the basic facts. What nationality are you?

[Blur4stuff]

You have to truly hate yourself and your children to want to switch to US style healthcare. I suppose you'd have to just hate people in general.

[CostinR]

Hmms...

Should I have enabled the option on the poll where we can see who's voted?

Is someone creating Tory alts? Seems most un-MMOC-like.

MMO-C being filled with Americans that are supportive of left wing candidates in their country should not imply it's filled with people that despise the tories in the UK.

[JohnBrown1917]

MMO-C being filled with Americans that are supportive of left wing candidates in their country should not imply it's filled with people that despise the tories in the UK.

Anybody with left-wing policies would not in a thousand years support the tories.

[Pann]

Rumours are that the YouGov MRP poll- due to be released tonight - shows a Tory majority whilst caution should be exercised (as with all polls) it is worth noting that the MRP in 2017 predicted that Theresa May would lose her majority.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1Y12A4

[LeGin Tufnel]

Rumours are that the YouGov MRP poll- due to be released tonight - shows a Tory majority whilst caution should be exercised (as with all polls) it is worth noting that the MRP in 2017 predicted that Theresa May would lose her majority.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1Y12A4

Well, let's fucking hope not.

[Pann]

Well, let's fucking hope not.

Even if it does there's still a long way to go. I have feeling that the next two and bit weeks are going to be ugly... very ugly.

[HugsForFree]

Rumours are that the YouGov MRP poll- due to be released tonight - shows a Tory majority whilst caution should be exercised (as with all polls) it is worth noting that the MRP in 2017 predicted that Theresa May would lose her majority.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1Y12A4

Even Dominic Cummings is warning of a hung parliament

"You will see many polls in the coming days. Some will say Boris will win. Trust me, as someone who has worked on lots of campaigns, things are MUCH tighter than they seem and there is a very real possibility of a hung parliament.
https://dominiccummings.com/

Genuine fear or rallying the troops?

[LeGin Tufnel]

Even if it does there's still a long way to go. I have feeling that the next two and bit weeks are going to be ugly... very ugly.

lol, things have been very ugly for a long time.

Read the Cummings blog post above.

He's a nasty little fascist.

[BloodyAngel12]

lol, things have been very ugly for a long time.

Read the Cummings blog post above.

He's a nasty little fascist.

From The Guardian.
"The prime minister’s senior aide, Dominic Cummings, has resigned as a special adviser, according to a Cabinet Office source."

[HugsForFree]

Sorry mate, I had my tongue up my arse deliberately. Wasn't really being serious.

Look - chaos is what we have in the UK already. The entire system is failing. Adversarial politics at its worst. The UK is a laughing stock.

I've voted in every national election since I was able to. Not once has my vote counted towards the balance of power in parliament.

So this time - yep, I'm going to spoil my vote.

See https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...t-post-failed/

Edit...

Yes, yes. I know about minority parties. Bring them to the table. Dialogue. Debate. Consensus. Not this infantile, food-flinging we have at the moment.

Your not suggesting a change to our electoral system are you? Where's the problem with an unelected head of state, an unelected second house and an electoral system that fails to represent the majority of the electorate? Its the British way and anything else just isn't cricket.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Your not suggesting a change to our electoral system are you? Where's the problem with an unelected head of state, an unelected second house and an electoral system that fails to represent the majority of the electorate? Its the British way and anything else just isn't cricket.

What are you saying? I think it's brilliant that a party can get a majority with only quarter of eligible voters voting for them, especially when you realise that some of that total was in seats that they didn't even win! Totally fair, if you ask me.

[Pann]

The MRP predicts Tories will win 359 seats — with Labour down to 211! Ouch!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...rity-qrqsq9f7r

Obviously this is not necessarily how the election will turn out but that is bad news for Labour and/or remainers.

[LeGin Tufnel]

From The Guardian.
"The prime minister’s senior aide, Dominic Cummings, has resigned as a special adviser, according to a Cabinet Office source."

FFS what the flying fuck is a "bat signal"?

Cummings, well known for his obsession with data science, nevertheless said the most important thing Brexit supporters could do was talk to people.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-than-it-looks

He tries to talk to me, I'll nut him.

Fucking small bean regarder. Bunty man.

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but that is bad news for Labour and/or remainers.

Yes, and very good news for the Conservatives and/or leavers.

[Pann]

Yes, and very good news for the Conservatives and/or leavers.

It's possible that this could motive Con remainers and those planning to vote Con might become complacent.

It is also worth noting a ComRes poll shows the Con lead over Lab slipping.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1Y12IM

[LeGin Tufnel]

Oh Jesus. No.

MRP is a polling technique ie "multilevel regression and post-stratification poll". It is not a thing or person as Pann seems to think.

There are a number of MRP-based polls conducted on this and other elections. Most are wrong. One was right at the last election. Probably it was right because someone has to be given the range of guesses.

For some reason idiots now think MRP is magic-it isn't. It is no more or less accurate than conventional polling.

Just a thought here, but if you don't want to end up like Pann, who exhibits this shock and amazement every time someone calls him a tory, try and avoid repeating tory propaganda from the newspapers every two days.

Yes. Dude. You say this. However, it's not exactly the best of news is it.

The problem is that the Daily Hate are united around Boris and, like it or lump it, they are swinging the vote.

Anti-Boris (or anti-Brexit) are fractured.

If we're going to keep FPTP, we need to go full two party system.

Scrap FPTP? Then great.