Indians having more trouble getting H-1B visas - Good for amercan workers

[sarahtasher]

I was friends with a guy in college that was from Saudi Arabia. His tuition and room and board was paid for by his government in exchange for him promising to work for the government when he returns. I knew of tons of cases of this at my school I went to. Why are we allowing this?

Gee, because it's a proven, effective, cheap way of exercising influence abroad ? His entire tuition, as you said, was paid by his government. He made money for the US, and he was to work in his country. Would you prefer a multi million dollar missile fired by a dozen of million jet that will miss anyway ?

[GreenJesus]

I graduated last year. @Draco-Onis

[GreenJesus]

Gee, because it's a proven, effective, cheap way of exercising influence abroad ? His entire tuition, as you said, was paid by his government. He made money for the US, and he was to work in his country. Would you prefer a multi million dollar missile fired by a dozen of million jet that will miss anyway ?

Except there are thousands of other people in the US that applied for the school that could have gone instead.

[sarahtasher]

I'm on mobile forgive me for quoting the entire thing.

Some places like in silicon valley and disney. Have abused it in the past and maybe present. I have no issue with the idea of h1-b visas. None at all. I'm against illegal immigration. I do take issue with with companies using the program for cheap labor paying below market rate. If a job pays 65k. It should pay 65k for the visa holder as well.

You are aware that by definition, free market specifically covers the workers ? That's capitalism for you baby : if an Hindu cost less than a white guy, you hire the Hindu (Americans conservatives are so persuaded of their superiority that they struggle immensely with the concept that a dude from Calcutta might be more competent than them while cheaper)

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Except there are thousands of other people in the US that applied for the school that could have gone instead.

And ? He P-A-I-D for the spot. He was to be hired by HIS government. I know edgelords struggle with the concept, but there are different way of having a foreign policy than threats and actual bombing.

[Draco-Onis]

I'm on mobile forgive me for quoting the entire thing.

Some places like in silicon valley and disney. Have abused it in the past and maybe present. I have no issue with the idea of h1-b visas. None at all. I'm against illegal immigration. I do take issue with with companies using the program for cheap labor paying below market rate. If a job pays 65k. It should pay 65k for the visa holder as well.

I have no problem with fixing abuses but destroying the program under some fictional guise is what I take issue with. This is very skilled labor the kind the right pretends that they want.

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Except there are thousands of other people in the US that applied for the school that could have gone instead.

Oh no some rich brat who may have lied on his college application or gotten in because his daddy went there didn't get a spot the horror /s

[sarahtasher]

I'm here to have a conversation. Not deal with crazy. Thanks. Also who mentioned hindus? Racist.

What is crazy here ? That this fabled free market covers foreign workers ? Dude, if Mexicans ask 10 $ to pick fruit and WASPs 20$, it's not the Mexicans undermine the market. Ten dollars is the market price.

[sarahtasher]

We're discussing h1-b (aka high skilled) visas. Not farm visa. Farm visas exist as well rendering your talking point moot.

The same apply for HB1 visas...

[NED funded]

There's plenty of American workers that can take that place. H1-b visas should ONLY be used as a last resort.

Did I imply there weren't?

The point is why reject highly skilled immigrants that by all metrics you can come up with contribute massively to the country

[sarahtasher]

So you'll have no issues if Canada decides to use a program like this for cheap labor then. If it's good for the U.S it's good for Canada right?

Well, no ,but I don't pretend to be for capitalism either. What is the dog whistle used in the US to describe any program protecting workers again ? Socialism, I think ? (BTW, few things are more satisfying than to see American edgelords cry that the job market is unfair after having gleefully gutted the Unions. You loved to much to say Union workers were lazy mooches….(

[bladeXcrasher]

If only one political party didn't demonize post-high school education and actually wanted to train the citizens of the USA.

[Vash The Stampede]

Job posting: 7 years of angular.

Creator of angular: aw damn, I only have 6 years.

You forgot the mention it's an entry level position.

[Machismo]

There's plenty of American workers that can take that place. H1-b visas should ONLY be used as a last resort.

If that were actually the case, then they wouldn't be needed at all.

It's weird how often you leftists are fighting against capitalism.

[Machismo]

Lol I'm a leftest now? According to @Endus I'm far right. Mane up your damn mind. Alao capitalism operates within the bounds of laes. It would be chaos if it didn't.

Well, you are fighting against capitalism, and pushing national socialism.

The good ole Horseshoe Theory is working well.

[Spectral]

...UnitedHealthcare, a Fortune 500 insurance company based in Minnesota. He loved his job streamlining its claims process. “There were days where I worked three days nonstop, no sleep, nothing, because we wanted people to get cured—they need to get the treatment,” he recalls. “I put my soul in there.”

They did a nice job making this sound really heroic, but this isn't what "streamlining its claims process" does at a health insurance company. Streamlining claims means figuring out ways to automate the process of denying claims for various esoteric reasons like SNOMED codes that aren't valid for the ICD-10 code used, or a lack of pre-authorization for a certain genetic test, or an 88307 CPT code being used on a pathologist's charges when it should have been an 88305 (or a million different non-lab things that I'm less personally familiar with). Having a developer work on that is helpful for insurance companies trying to save money, but it's not going to get people treatments.

Samir's probably a decent guy and I do feel for him, but my heart sure doesn't bleed for the insurance company that might have to spend a few more bucks on a developer to help them engage in the retarded battles that are hospital billing. If we had a sane healthcare system, this guy's job wouldn't exist in the first place.

[Machismo]

I get the feeling you get a check from the goverment for some "disability". Because you don't seem to grasp that capitalism DOES have protections.

Yes, because the ultimate small-government, pro-capitalist guy in these threads is on welfare...

You are the one attacking capitalism, trying to have the government strangle the free markets, and literally control one of the means of production.

[Machismo]

You're the one that's not grasping that (and never have) that there are laws that even capitalism has to adhere to in America. Only a certain amount of h1-b visas can be issued. If it was unlimited the situation would be worse. Already we have stagnant wage growth that would be made much worse paying some visa holder muchless for a job. They'd fire my ass in a heartbeat and replace me with some illegal if they could. But laws prevent that from happening. Thankfully.

Those laws are direct restrictions to capitalism, that's the entire point. In a socialist country, they also have laws...

Issue more visas, problem solved.

So, you are saying you cannot compete, so you want the government to step in, and give you special privileges.

[Machismo]

Then by that definition almost every country on earth is socialist.

Some just happen to be more socialistic than others. You are pushing further and further along that scale.

I'm going to go ahead and stick with capitalism. Thanks.

[Calfredd]

Welp one of your employees just hit the corner of a 2 storie shelving unit due to your cheap ass not maintaining the the 6 ton reach trucks. Destroying thousands (or millions like a pallet of I-phones) dollars worth of merch Because of CAPITALISM you didn't spring for insurance either. The employee unfortunately for you tested negitive on alcohol and drugs (sop after any accident) since workmans comp cost cash you didn't opt for that either. So now because of your hard-on for CAPITALISM you're fucked in court.

Not all laws are there to hamper buisness.

While funny to see him and people like Kangodo go at it, he is An-Cap so you should probably drop it; saves you time in the long run.

[XangXu]

Come to Canada instead. America has no future and if you are brown, you will be treated as a 3rd class citizen.

Come be Canadian, where we actually appreciate you.

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[d00mGuArD]

You are aware that by definition, free market specifically covers the workers ? That's capitalism for you baby : if an Hindu cost less than a white guy, you hire the Hindu (Americans conservatives are so persuaded of their superiority that they struggle immensely with the concept that a dude from Calcutta might be more competent than them while cheaper)

That is true for those workers that studied in the U.S. Some of them are good, some are not, just like everyone else.
But it is most definitely not true about workers that studied in India. They suck big time. (Not because they are hindu, but because they studied in a crap education system. Their degrees are worth paper toilet, and it shows in effect. The same would be true for anyone else studying there)