ah. Rights should be restored after doing time. Otherwise its a pretty easy thing for the government to abuse.
For every "but what about the pedooooos", you have about several thousand people with felonies for dealing pot. Or insider trading (hello martha stewart)
I am in 100% agreement with you, but then shouldn't it be that which is addressed rather than giving voting rights to people who haven't participated in society in any constructive way or even further have been destructive.
Remember getting a felony "Hypothetically" supposed to be an EASY thing to get.
Being convicted of a Felony "In Theory" is supposed to be for infractions against some of the most important laws we have, like say Murder!
I really don't want Murderers to vote at all.
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The short answer is "yes".
The longer answer involves pointing out that the number of convicted rapists is so small that it's not a voting bloc with any power to change informed consent laws. And that the same justification could be applied to, say, people convicted of marijuana possession not being able to vote to legalize marijuana, where suddenly their opinions seems a lot more relevant.
Not really, no.What if nobody convicted was disfranchised we knew for certain they were guilty of a certain crime, is there no point where you feel a person should lose their input into laws that govern everybody else?
Because we're talking about a democratic system with a universal franchise. The most egregious individuals that you'll argue should not contribute are also so few in number that, in democratic terms, they're basically irrelevant.
If this were an oligarchy and they were the only people making decisions, sure, that's bad. In practice, their voices are drowned out.
Plus, consider the impact on rehabilitation. By denying them civil rights, you further separate these felons from society, creating a deeper divide that works against rehabilitation. Your likening them as "wolves" to the rest of society's "sheep" is, itself, a form of rhetorical segregation, working to widen that divide, and keep them criminal.
Crimes that are serious like murder, rape, kiddy fiddling, etc. Misdemeanors are less serious crimes like stealing a candy bar, jaywalking, speeding, etc. Usually delt with by fines and/or a short term (days/months) in the city jail.
I’m not surprised you would make this comment after painting all people with felonies with as broad a brush as you have, making comments about them all doing heroin and killing themselves off, and even going as far to say that they should be shot. All because of “statistics”. I do hope you stop being so ignorant one day.
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During their time in prison? Fuck no. You are obviously not competent or willing to be involved in society so you don't get a say.
After, depends on the nature and severity of their crimes.
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And thankfully the general populace are not rapists. Maybe in some Rick & Morty alternate universe it would be the case but we don't abide by that here. Again, if you want their right to vote to be taken away permanently then they should be exempt them from federal taxes as well. Taxation without representation was one of the complaints of the 13 colonies against Britain.
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You cant really make that distinction. A society that tries to do that can easily become one that abuses that power. The average populace isnt that smart and can be easily led.
Plus what about those who did say, armed robbery but have so thoroughly reformed that they havent done anything wrong in 15 years past release? Should they constantly be wearing the scarlet letter? Why would ANYONE attempt to be reformed if they never get to be integrated into society fully again?