[UK] General Election 2019

[Scrandir]

Corbyn CRUSHED last night.

Snap poll showed 48% for Corbyn, 52% for Johnson. Now that sounds like a win for Johnson, but generally speaking if a leader outperforms their parties share of the vote then that means they probably won some people over and they get a boost in the polls.

Not that I thought Corbyn was especially fantastic, but he didn't have to be in order to outperform expectations. The problem for the tory newspapers is that they demonized him so badly he just has to turn up and not have two heads and he goes up in the polls.

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Aren't older people more likely to go out and vote due to it being more ingrained as a thing to do? Whenever I've visited a polling station it's almost always filled with older folk with younger people being more of a rarity. Maybe that'll change this time around, though I doubt it. There's a lot of people who like to play the role of keyboard activists but when it actually involves going out and doing stuff they make excuses.

Yes that is correct, but it is factored into the polls. However, will the elderly turn out in Winter? A small but significant % will be too sick to go to the polling station.

Additionally kids traditionally don't vote but more seem to have registered this time.

Difficult to say what will actually happen but it isn't that hard to make a case for unknown variables giving Labour a boost over and above the polls.

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In b4 “but there’s going to be a Labour majority”. No, there won’t. Not unless some rogue TV engineer goes all subliminal messaging on the proles watching I’m A Celebrity.

There is a huge difference between unlikely and possible.

[CostinR]

Can someone explain me what is wrong with people?

Has feudalism been bred into our genes?

Corbyn's biggest issue, and I say this as a non-brit who very much agrees with Labor on domestic spending, is that he really doesn't look or feel like a Prime Minister.

Yes Boris does. I imagine Corbyn dealing with Trump, Macron, Xi and others and laugh at the notion. He'd be eaten alive.

[Scrandir]

Corbyn's biggest issue, and I say this as a non-brit who very much agrees with Labor on domestic spending, is that he really doesn't look or feel like a Prime Minister.

Yes Boris does. I imagine Corbyn dealing with Trump, Macron, Xi and others and laugh at the notion. He'd be eaten alive.

That's a personal view of yours which isn't shared by any one in this country. Even among the Tory press that isn't a line they push.

The general view of Boris is of a bumbling idiot who became famous by appearing on comedy shows. He is popular with the tory right because of brexit, but also a substantial number of floating voters because his weird public mumbling makes him seem anti-establishment, in the same way Trump's sub-literate rambling is supposed to show how much of an outsider is. I have heard literally nobody say he is some kind of great statesmen or something even among his supporters. I'm guessing you don't understand the nuances of spoken English that well-he may well have a form of Tourette's syndrome, he really isn't very dignified or impressive at all. Even among his supporters he's supposed to be a charming clown with apparently hidden depths.

I don't know how well he gets on with Macron but in the recent leaked footage with Trudeau he looked very much like someone who had been marginalized. In his dealings with Trump he sounds like he wants to be Trump's fag.

I don't recall a PM who I had less confidence in to represent British interests, of either party.

[HugsForFree]

Good to see the nasty party are doing everything they can to help the "working poor".

"Mr Henry told voters on Friday night: “When they go down to the food bank, what they struggle with is maybe being able to manage their budget.

“A thing that can help them is how we can offer them some advice and support.

“When people are really, really down, and when people haven’t got the money, one of the things they can look to do is to get a payday loan or something like that."
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...y-loans/08/12/

[CostinR]

That's a personal view of yours which isn't shared by any one in this country. Even among the Tory press that isn't a line they push.

I mean my personal view as you call it was reflected in the poll I replied to after the debate, so what we are talking about here? Nevermind that Jeremy Corbyn's own personal approval rating makes Trump look bloody amazing in comparison. Not that Boris is doing that significantly better, but Corbyn has a 21% approval rating acording to YouGov while Johnson is 35%

I don't know who you are or why you're posting on a 2nd account but frankly speaking I don't care for your political filth.

[Scrandir]

I mean my personal view as you call it was reflected in the poll I replied to after the debate, so what we are talking about here? Nevermind that Jeremy Corbyn's own personal approval rating makes Trump look bloody amazing in comparison. Not that Boris is doing that significantly better, but Corbyn has a 21% approval rating acording to YouGov while Johnson is 35%

That's hardly surprising given that Corbyn is attacked daily in every national newspaper as a terrorist, antisemite, Stalinist etc etc, since the powerful vested interests that own them would lose a fortune if he were ever elected.

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I don't know who you are or why you're posting on a 2nd account but frankly speaking I don't care for your political filth.

I simply told you the truth: literally no one sees Johnson the way you describe, even his supporters. There's no need to get upset.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

But with tactical voting, based on Remain United research (Savanta ComRes polling) which found 43% of Remain voters intend to vote tactically, the live seat predictions incorporating tactical voting swing are:

Con 312 Lab 250 Lib Dem 15 Brexit 0 Green 1 SNP 51 Plaid Cymru 3 – this would mean hung parliament and an opportunity for the opposition to form a government.

The DUP decides to send a massive fuck-you to Johnson after he screwed them on the whole "no border between the UK and NI" deal and sides with Labour? That could tip the balance away from the Tories.

[Scrandir]

The DUP decides to send a massive fuck-you to Johnson after he screwed them on the whole "no border between the UK and NI" deal and sides with Labour? That could tip the balance away from the Tories.

Much as that would amuse me, it will absolutely never happen. The DUP are very, very opposed to Corbyn for his Sinn Fein connections. A slightly more plausible scenario would be the new generation of SF leadership understanding that their opposition to sitting in the UK parliament is contrary to their own interests.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Are there any polls on how NI is going to vote though?

According to this there will be a certain amount of anti-DUP (or anti-Brexit) coordination between the UUP and SF. There are 1-2 DUP seats that are extremely safe, 1-2 UUP and SF seats that are quite safe, and then the rest.

NI polls are quite hard to find, most ignore NI voters (which is the attitude of the British political environment).

[Huehuecoyotl]

Dumb left-wing cunt.

So we've had a mod in this thread taking action, and yet this lovely little post still hasn't received an infraction. I've reported it. Twice. I suspect others may have reported it as well.

So I can only take this as confirmation that we are now allowed to call other posters "dumb" and indeed "cunts". And not receive any infractions for doing so. I'm just off to plan my next few posts.

[Kallisto]

So we've had a mod in this thread taking action, and yet this lovely little post still hasn't received an infraction. I've reported it. Twice. I suspect others may have reported it as well.

So I can only take this as confirmation that we are now allowed to call other posters "dumb" and indeed "cunts". And not receive any infractions for doing so. I'm just off to plan my next few posts.

Lord Thwart defending the far right as usual.

Conservatives pussying out of another debate tonight with the channel 4 "Everything but brexit." debate.

[LeGin Tufnel]

The DUP decides to send a massive fuck-you to Johnson after he screwed them on the whole "no border between the UK and NI" deal and sides with Labour? That could tip the balance away from the Tories.

Yes, that’s a massive glaring error in those figures isn’t it? There’s no DUP (or Sinn Fein) Doh.

Would Sinn Fein take their seats? Can you imagine the red top outrage.

@Huehuecoyotl- don’t bother. Really, don’t bother. Waste of time.

I’m coming to the (very belated) conclusion that this forum is probably the wrong place to be having these sorts of discussions.

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Lord Thwart defending the far right as usual.

Conservatives pussying out of another debate tonight with the channel 4 "Everything but brexit." debate.

Ah yes everything but brexit, I missed it.

Did they talk about Corbyn's central and one and only election policy? - free broadband for all? It tickled me to find an example of what that might look like, but surely there is more important stuff going on that will decide the election.

In 2 mins here's a summary of Corbyns broadband and how it might work, alternatively let's get brexit done...

[Zython]

So we've had a mod in this thread taking action, and yet this lovely little post still hasn't received an infraction. I've reported it. Twice. I suspect others may have reported it as well.

So I can only take this as confirmation that we are now allowed to call other posters "dumb" and indeed "cunts". And not receive any infractions for doing so. I'm just off to plan my next few posts.

Not surprising. Someone called me an anti-semitic term, and I got infracted for quoting him.

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Ah yes everything but brexit, I missed it.

Did they talk about Corbyn's central and one and only election policy? - free broadband for all? It tickled me to find an example of what that might look like, but surely there is more important stuff going on that will decide the election.

In 2 mins here's a summary of Corbyns broadband and how it might work, alternatively let's get brexit done...

Man, could you imagine private internet being slow, cutting out, or not having videos available in your country. Unthinkable.

But please, keep defending ISPs. They're really popular. You should also defend airlines and car dealerships while you're at it.

[Kallisto]

Man, could you imagine private internet being slow, cutting out, or not having videos available in your country. Unthinkable.

Dribbles pushing the far right agenda again, that video looks just like pretty much any broadband provider in the UK anyway, so at worst for most people it would be no different.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Would Sinn Fein EVER agree to take their seats, even if it was to stop Brexit? I honestly don't see it happening.

No, you’re right, mine was a poorly thought through hypothetical question: they won’t:

https://www.irishnews.com/news/north...rexit-1775374/

The site has now paywalled me, but the jist is: not on your nelly. 100 years of abstentionism won’t change for Brexit. “Our voices are being heard loud and clear in Dublin, Brussels and [lol] Washington [like the Americans give a fuck - this isn’t the 1970s]”. We will not interfere with Britain's decision. etc.

Single issue party who will demand a ref on Irish reunification: “when not if”. Fair enough.

So, what will the DUP do, now BJ has thrown them under a bus. I agree with burner: the idea of them voting with Labour is as unlikely as Sinn Fein taking their seats.

Anyway, it’s all irrelevant. My money is on a Tory majority. Look at our press today:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50708304

Especially, the apocalyptic monochrome in the Sun.

“Seduced by Labour’s manifesto bribes? Read our experts’ grim vision of Marxist Britain”

I don’t know who I despise more: the people who wrote it or the people who willingly read it.

[Kallisto]

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1204018593656180736

When you can't stand the facts shown on the phone. Steal the phone.

More shameful acts by Bojo.

[Huehuecoyotl]

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1204018593656180736

When you can't stand the facts shown on the phone. Steal the phone.

More shameful acts by Bojo.

This is the real face of Boris. Utterly unable to deal with proper probing questions from proper journalists. Utterly unable to show basic humanity in the face of the real impact of policies that he has repeatedly voted for and backed over the last 10 years. Lacking in intelligence, with no willingness to work to get anything difficult done. Telling lies at every opportunity, with a track record of disparaging insults towards the poor and disadvantaged.

This is the man that all of the press owned by foreign billionaires that pay no tax in this country want you to vote into our highest political office on Thursday. Are you going to fall for their lies again? Or take a chance on something different?

[Jessicka]

This is the real face of Boris. Utterly unable to deal with proper probing questions from proper journalists. Utterly unable to show basic humanity in the face of the real impact of policies that he has repeatedly voted for and backed over the last 10 years. Lacking in intelligence, with no willingness to work to get anything difficult done. Telling lies at every opportunity, with a track record of disparaging insults towards the poor and disadvantaged.

This is the man that all of the press owned by foreign billionaires that pay no tax in this country want you to vote into our highest political office on Thursday. Are you going to fall for their lies again? Or take a chance on something different?

Of course they'll deflect and pretend it doesn't matter. I see it over and over again. "Everything is shit so let's keep it that way". It's like all hope is gone so we might as well just sit and suffer in the shit that's been created for us.

I am really starting to absolutely fucking hate this country.

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Steady as we go. Unlike 2017, ♫♫ It's beginning to look a lot like Brexmas ♫♫