I need the gif of Carl Weazer screaming "STOP IT! STOP IT! CAN'T YOU SEE THIS FIGHTING IS TEARING US ALL APAAAART!!!!!"
Can't we nerds just get along and let people play what they want? Oh right... It's the internet. Full of cry babies.
I need the gif of Carl Weazer screaming "STOP IT! STOP IT! CAN'T YOU SEE THIS FIGHTING IS TEARING US ALL APAAAART!!!!!"
Can't we nerds just get along and let people play what they want? Oh right... It's the internet. Full of cry babies.
Yeah but it used to be made up by people who actually had talent and loved the world they were creating. Now those people are gone and its a bunch of people trying to carry on that vision in order to make money for a multi-billion dollar corporation. You are right though, some people like it and I'm fine with that (I'm not fine with it).
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That mod was making a coherent argument created through a rational process and I'm incapable of doing that.
Because people hate when they're proven wrong. Blizzard white knights had been hating on the idea of having classic servers because in their minds retail is perfectly fine(everything blizzard does is fine), and there was no need for classic.
Look at a guy like Towelliee. He would spew all sorts of hate when people asked anything about classic wow on his stream. Then classic wow comes out, it's a huge success. All of a sudden Towelliee jumps on the bandwagon and plays classic more than he does retail, because nobody wants to watch retail other than Method's race to world 1st.
I couldn't care less personally. I don't play either.
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The statement I replied to was you saying it was a Zero-Sum. I countered by explaining how it's not a Zero-Sum, and now you are just shifting the goal post. If what you want to say is that, Classic has taken some number of people away from Retail permanently, that's fine. It still does not make it Zero-Sum.
I don't care about either. I just play what I want to play and let everyone else do what they want to do. People that have to say one is better than the other and bash each other over it are just trying to stroke their ego.
Tripled subs for... 1 month. During the middle of content in retail. Then nostalgia wore off and you lost a chunk. Then the terribly delivered honor system and you lost another chunk...
How do you define success? If it pulled in a bunch of subs for 1 month, is that a success? If so then I'd say it is about on par with any retail expansion, because I'd bet those pull in about the same increase of subs and fizzle out similarly as classic is doing.
Or do you define success as truly giving the "vanilla experience"? In that regard, I think it is less successful for a couple of reasons that I won't go into detail here.
I liked Classic for what it was worth, but this sets a dangerous precident. Why bother spending money and time innovating new games, when we can rehash and release the same old stuff from bygone eras? We're seeing it more and more with rereleases. I think only Square have got their heads on straight in this regard, as they're making FF7 completely different game play wise.
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that's the first time i hear of such a thing.
i've literally never heard anyone be mad that classic is doing good. not even retail players.
a lot of people are actually positive, and even people who dont play it, and even people that have never played it.
Lol. Asmongold recently stated he is going back to mostly streaming retail because watching classic is boring and he'd get more viewers doing retail.
A lot of people who prefer retail (myself included) would not argue that retail is perfectly fine, but would argue that there is a reason the game is different. For me, the difference between the goods and bads in retail outweighs the difference of the goods and bads in classic. Doesn't mean one is objectively better than the other, just that one is preferred.
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Yeah why would anyone be mad that people came back to WoW for classic? I guess if entire guilds left retail for it that could be annoying, but I feel like retail has actually gained population since classic's release, and it should result in even more players considering trying shadowlands, which is a big plus for anyone who prefers retail.
ummm are you playing the same game we are, its anything but success
That is not the definition of Zero-Sum. Zero-Sum requires exact balance on both sides. If any person plays classic, it MUST be a -1 to retail, and +1 to Classic, and vice versa. For it to be Zero-Sum, that is required from every single point of reference, not just some individuals. It simply cannot be Zero-Sum. You can not like it all you want, but that is how Zero-Sum works. What you are exhibiting is Zero-Sum bias, which is a human predisposition to believe certain things are Zero-Sum when they are not, because they see someone/somethings loss as gain to someone/something else.
I mean Classic and Retail will always have "It's dying!" proponents probably for the rest of time. That is how it has always been and always will be. Classic is definitely a success in Blizzards eyes though, for how little they needed to spend for decent returns.
The sides are Retail and Not Retail. You've made assumptions that were incorrect and it hindered your ability to contribute to a reasonable counterpoint. You seem to understand zero sum, but not its presence in the relevant discussion. You seem to be exhibiting the Dunning-Kruger effect (as well as general arrogance).
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