[UK] General Election 2019

[Zython]

Tories won, not labour.

Hmm...you sure?

The Jews invaded. They fought them on the beaches and they never surrendered.

[Monster Hunter]

Hey, as people here have told me, I have no right to an opinion about domestic UK matters, because apparently that is way too complicated for our tiny continental brains. Do with it what you want, I'm gonna grab me some popcorn and enjoy the daily car blowup in London, our next new exciting reality TV show... I have zero pity for the British at this point. This election shows, they actually want it. Why even bother with a second referendum. Just GTFO the EU and start beating each other up so we can be entertained for the money it's going to cost us.

no no i don't mean the spirit of it.

i mean the wording of it. "a resolution to the Irish question"

[Zelk]

The elites invaded. They fought them on the beaches and they never surrendered.

this sounds really fucking antisemitic to me

[DarkAmbient]

Again, the manifesto wasn't radical.

Your position isn't supported by how badly the Lib Dems did.

Corbyn himself called it radical, that's why I put the word in quotes. And a more moderate Labour isn't the same thing as the Lib Dems.

[Zython]

this sounds really fucking antisemetic to me

That's because it is.

[Ghostpanther]

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you dont have it in the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-nation_conservatism

its kinda left ish wing conservationism, or like philanthropy as a political philosophy.

We do, but not in the same total way conservatism is in the UK. In some ways it is I guess, since they seem to be the party which wants to leave the EU and be more independent. But thanks for answering my post. Appreciate it. I was looking for a productive answer and you gave it.

[Skroe]

Gotcha.

Boy I bet the fellas weren't foreseeing this end when they were drafting the Atlantic Charter, huh? Lol.

They certainly didn't. We're still living the end of the British Empire. After the handover of Hong Kong, they tried to build a new role in the world as America's wingman. They got burned in the Iraq War (which they really went over the deep end with in lamenting as a mistake). And ever since then it's been cuts and rollback of it's global role and domestic political goals. Cut everything, defend the NHS. Financial crisis pushed it further, and now we're seeing the final bit of the original British Empire finally contract.

Brexit, in retrospect, is inevitable. The United Kingdom never decided what it wanted to be.

[Northern Goblin]

Who knew sticking with a proven loser who couldn't beat Theresa May and the fields of wheat would turn out to be an absolute fucking disaster?

Oh wait, most of us, but well done the far left who were too stubborn and in love with their idealogical purity bullshit to do the right thing and step aside.

You have handed the Tories five years with a huge majority. Well fucking done.

[Slant]

no no i don't mean the spirit of it.

i mean the wording of it. "a resolution to the Irish question"

No idea what you mean.

[rogueMatthias]

Who knew sticking with a proven loser who couldn't beat Theresa May and the fields of wheat would turn out to be an absolute fucking disaster?

Oh wait, most of us, but well done the far left who were too stubborn and in love with their idealogical purity bullshit to do the right thing and step aside.

You have handed the Tories five years with a huge majority. Well fucking done.

I wonder if Corbyn will actually step down now.

[Monster Hunter]

No idea what you mean.

the last time some ones said they had a resolution to a question on a people's they wern't a very nice man.

i mostly saying it because a labour support was shouting things to the effect at some jews on a video i watched earlier tonight.

[Zython]

No idea what you mean.

"_____ Question" is terminology that is generally frowned upon in politics for historical reasons.

[Puupi]

I wonder if Corbyn will actually step down now.

Probably won't understand to do it himself so the party needs to throw him out. The worst Labour result in nearly a century, that's an achievement by itself. :S

[Zython]

Who knew sticking with a proven loser who couldn't beat Theresa May and the fields of wheat would turn out to be an absolute fucking disaster?

Oh wait, most of us, but well done the far left who were too stubborn and in love with their idealogical purity bullshit to do the right thing and step aside.

You have handed the Tories five years with a huge majority. Well fucking done.

Did Labour lose their majority in the first place under centrists?

[Monster Hunter]

I wonder if Corbyn will actually step down now.

he has to, if the exit poll is right and the experts think its looking that way, and with labour down in both remain and leave areas in vote share. so they cant say it was "just about brexit", nope theres no chance, if he dosn't step down your heading into party split territory which would be the death of the labour party just as it killed the liberal party as the main opposition in 1922.

theres already labour MP's calling for corbyn's resignation on twitter.

[mojojojo202]

Who knew sticking with a proven loser who couldn't beat Theresa May and the fields of wheat would turn out to be an absolute fucking disaster?

Oh wait, most of us, but well done the far left who were too stubborn and in love with their idealogical purity bullshit to do the right thing and step aside.

You have handed the Tories five years with a huge majority. Well fucking done.

The assumption being that a 'centrist' or 'Blairite' candidate would have been better? Forgetting of course that it was that wing of the party who moved Labour away from it's traditional positions and initiated the divide between Labour and it's traditional base?

Labour are fucked. They have no base and no sensible way to build one any time soon. Whichever way they move they'll lose more than they gain. Coupled with the Tory's plans to gerrymander constituency borders they are not winning any elections anytime soon.


The biggest loser in this election however is not Labour, it's environmentalism. There was lots of noise made about it during the campaign, ongoing climate strikes have pushed the issues further up the agenda all year and the British people have proved that frankly they don't give a shit. At this point climate change isn't a problem of IF, it's barely a problem of WHEN now, it's a problem of HOW BAD.

[DarkAmbient]

So what exactly is radical about that?

It was a massive spending commitment. Labour suffered for years from the perception of poor economic competence, and then they come out with a manifesto like that. People didn't think it was credible. It was too much change too soon.

[Monster Hunter]

Did Labour lose their majority in the first place under centrists?

they lost it because of the financial crisis, and the right wings big push on blaming immigrants and also over the iraq war.

and they only just lost there majority, the cons had to make a coalition with the lib dems.

191 seats is a labour massacre of which there is no excuse or other way to take it. its not even in the same league as the slim losses they had under the center left.

[Kallisto]

Reports are Blair's old constituency is going blue.

[Deletedaccount1]

this sounds really fucking antisemitic to me

It's not. If you understood things you wouldn't be the one losing elections.