Marvel comics censors content critical of current US administration

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

You seemingly forgot all the people that go "private business, their rules"

Complaining, giving your opinion, or not supporting marvel are way different than advocating for socialism which the right is doing. They want the government to tell people how to run their businesses. The left is saying we won't support you with this censorship huge difference there buddy. The right wants to wage war on socialism and only using or advocating for it when it benefits them.

[Egomaniac]

It is absolutely important that Hydra has not always been explicitly referred to as Nazis as was posted earlier.

Yeah, ok...looks like your going for a semantic win over a substantive one.

Hydra, as originally presented in the comics, was explicitly stated to be a Nazi Organization...which was the actual point of contention.

[Orby]

That is because they were brought by Disney and the success of the movies have kept the company afloat. The comics themselves have been tanking in sales for years.

Well that statement is a load of BS.

People will accept anything as long as it's written well, I do agree forced political morals into media can be annoying, I mean I grew up with Captain Planet and you wanna talk forced politics?

The things is around this time Marvel's main problem wasnt its diversity, it was it's over saturation of large scale cross over events and horrible stories. Not least we forget even the good stories were interrupted by those said crossovers meaning new comics never had a chance to stretch their legs or develop their characters.

Also around this time I really enjoyed X-23's All New Wolverine, and Sam Wilson as Captain America, I didn't enjoy female Thor much but then again I never liked normal Thors comics either and the less said about Riri's Ironheart the better. As for Squirrel Girl that comic was just not aimed at me, although Squirrel girl outside her own comic wasnt drawn like she had some facial tumor and actually drawn well. USAvengers had her in and it was great.

Life imitates art. Remember when 9/11 happened and Marvel released this?



I know you all have gotten older now and you never saw these politics in your comic' when you were young, and now you are older you see them, but what you don't realise is that it was because you were so young that you never realised they were there the whole time. This is you growing up, I am sorry to break it to you, but writers and artists have used comics as a way to release a political narrative, True not all the time, but most comics use current events of the time to set a basis for their stories. Even Tolkien based most of Lords of the Rings of his own serving in World War 1,

One of my favourite X-Men stories is God Loves Man Kills.



This book is very political charged. If this came out today people would throw a fit. It doesn't only just deal with mutant prejudice but actual; comparisons to racism.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well that statement is a load of BS.

The statement is a load of bs as it’s taken out of context and trassk knows it. The vp said that some comic store owners said that readers didn’t want females/minority’s but that marvel doesn’t agree and the sales don’t either as he list abunch of well selling comics with all but one still on going.

[Yriel]

We were discussing the comics...not the MCU

Really? Because every time someone in this thread said that marvel is slowly dying someone else is showing the MCU as a proof that marvel is super successful.

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Not one actually. Squirrel girl came to an end which isn’t the same and mighty thor ended as it was planed with war of the realms with Jane foster then getting a new series as Valkyrie.

Well i don't read them but Squirrl Girl, Mighty Thor, Spider Gwen and Moon Girl all had "planned ends" after few issues (for comic books) even though they were so successful? Sounds strange to me. But if you say so, i trust your expertise.

[Stormspellz]

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Funny I thought the sluggish sales at the time of the article was about the lazy art, and ridiculous reliance on gimmicks like "relaunch #1" over and over, but i'm actually a reader so what do I know.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well i don't read them but Squirrl Girl, Mighty Thor, Spider Gwen and Moon Girl all had "planned ends" after few issues (for comic books) even though they were so successful? Sounds strange to me. But if you say so, i trust your expertise.

They all had pretty standard run times for modern series.

Mighty thor is still ongoing as Valkyrie after the war of the realms.

spider spider Gwen is ongoing as ghost spider, no idea why they changed the name.

Squirrel girl, don’t know don’t care.

Moon girl is getting a tv show so there’s a 90% chance she’ll get a new run around the same time.

When a series is actually cancelled marvel doesn’t tend to hide it either this is from the recently canceled campions book.

[Maneo]

Although it is true politics have always been in comics, it really isn't till the past 10-15 years that more divisive political issues were being brought into mainstream comics.

as far as the statement that "all" comic sales are tanking. That is false. Manga sales are up a great deal.

I expect Marvel (and probably DC) won't be around in the next 10 to 15 years, or if it is they will be subcontracted out to another company.

[Jotaux]

Yeah, ok...looks like your going for a semantic win over a substantive one.

Hydra, as originally presented in the comics, was explicitly stated to be a Nazi Organization...which was the actual point of contention.

This is like saying Batman uses a gun and kills people.

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Funny I thought the sluggish sales at the time of the article was about the lazy art, and ridiculous reliance on gimmicks like "relaunch #1" over and over, but i'm actually a reader so what do I know.

#1 issues are what they use to boost sales. If they did a #1 relaunch it was because the book wasn't selling well.

[Egomaniac]

This is like saying Batman uses a gun and kills people.

Only in the sense that, at one point in time, Batman used a gun and killed people. Retcons only change the in-universe history...they don't actually re-write the old books.

The point in contention was that Hydra was never explicitly labelled as a Nazi organization. And, even after the Retcon, Hydra was always labelled as a Nazi organization. The fact that the retcon made it so they existed before the Nazis and the Red Skull just brought them over to Nazism does not change that they were always referred to as a nazi organization in the comics. Hydra Cap may have cleaned that part up...but it does not change the actual details written in decades of comics.

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Spider-Gwen is ongoing as ghost spider, no idea why they changed the name.

Because they changed her name in the Marvel Rising cartoon to avoid confusion with the other Spider-Woman.

Squirrel girl, don’t know don’t care.

Squirrel Girl was going to be in the New Warriors TV show...but with Marvel Television getting fully absorbed into Marvel Studios...it's probably a dead project for now

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#1 issues are what they use to boost sales. If they did a #1 relaunch it was because the book wasn't selling well.

Marvel uses #1 relaunches all the time...even on their best-selling books. Amazing Spider-Man has been relaunched a few times over the last 10 years.

The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 3 #1–20 (April 2014)
The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 4 #1–32 (October 2015)
The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 5 #1–current (July 2018)

They also will sporadically revert to the original numbers so they can celebrate milestones

They had an uninterrupted run form March 1963 to November 1998 which culminated at Amazing Spider-Man #441
Then they relaunched as The Amazing Spider-Man vol. 2 #1–58 until November 2003
Returned as issue #500 (441+58 = 499) in December 2003. Which remained the format until issue 700
Amazing Spider-Man is then "cancelled" and replaced by Superior Spider-Man
Superior Spider-Man is cancelled and Replaced by Amazing Spider-Man Vol 3 #1.

[Shadowferal]

New Warriors was planned to premiere in 2018 on Freeform, and had the potential to launch multiple spinoff series based on each of the New Warriors characters. However, by November 2018 the network no longer had room in its schedule to begin airing the series that year, and returned it to Marvel Television so the studio could shop the series to other Disney-owned networks. These efforts were ultimately unsuccessful, and the series was officially considered dead by the end of September 2019.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

#1 issues are what they use to boost sales. If they did a #1 relaunch it was because the book wasn't selling well.

This doesn’t hold any water once you notice that spiderman has had like 10 #1’s in the last few years and it’s there top seller.

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Because they changed her name in the Marvel Rising cartoon to avoid confusion with the other Spider-Woman.

Makes sense I guess, though I can’t say I get how ghost spider is different enough from spider women but spider Gwen isn’t.

But I’ve never read any actual spider Gwen issues and have only seen her in cross overs so I don’t even know what she goes by in her own universe.

[Stormdash]

is this actually a collection of essays, or just two writers cannibalizing comic panel space for their essays in what's a commemorative comic?

[Egomaniac]

This doesn’t hold any water once you notice that spiderman has had like 10 #1’s in the last few years and it’s there top seller.

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Makes sense I guess, though I can’t say I get how ghost spider is different enough from spider women but spider Gwen isn’t.

But I’ve never read any actual spider Gwen issues and have only seen her in cross overs so I don’t even know what she goes by in her own universe.

"Spider-Gwen" was never her actual name though. In her comics, she was Spider-Woman. Now she's Ghost-Spider

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Spider-Gwen" was never her actual name though. In her comics, she was Spider-Woman. Now she's Ghost-Spider

ah that makes more sense, in the cross overs all they ever call her is gwen so i had no idea what her title was when she was home.

[Egomaniac]

ah that makes more sense, in the cross overs all they ever call her is gwen so i had no idea what her title was when she was home.

Changing her name now will make it easier when they inevitably fold her into the 616-universe.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Changing her name now will make it easier when they inevitably fold her into the 616-universe.

I could be wrong but haven't they already done that? could have sworn ghost spider 1 had her hanging out with 616 peter but i didn't read past issue 1.

[Egomaniac]

I could be wrong but haven't they already done that? could have sworn ghost spider 1 had her hanging out with 616 peter but i didn't read past issue 1.

She had a dimensional teleporter thing but her homebase is still Earth-65. Ghost Spider #1 I think takes place right after Spider-Geddon

[Lorgar Aurelian]

She had a dimensional teleporter thing but her homebase is still Earth-65. Ghost Spider #1 I think takes place right after Spider-Geddon

ah that makes sense then.

[Ivanstone]

This doesn’t hold any water once you notice that spiderman has had like 10 #1’s in the last few years and it’s there top seller.

The new #1 always sells better than subsequent or previous issues. Even a top seller can always sell more.

There are also artistic reasons for doing so. Frequently, a series will re-launch when a new writer comes aboard or it creates a convenient jumping on point for new readers.

Makes sense I guess, though I can’t say I get how ghost spider is different enough from spider women but spider Gwen isn’t.

Explain how Spider-Gwen sounds like a legit super-hero name? Its pretty stupid if you think about it and is likely a hold-over from her early appearances. I don't think Marvel was expecting the character to get as popular as it is.

Ghost Spider works because shes a spider-person with a very well-liked white costume.