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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by roboscorcher View Post
    While I do agree with you, I think Classic+ should happen. It should happen on separate servers, with characters copied from our existing Classic servers, once Classic is done. That way, everybody wins.
    I appreciate the civil reply, but I seriously do not see them doing that even if they caved. That's giving away potentially millions of free level 60s, which negates a whole lot of content and gameplay. Whats the point of 'Classic+' if you just copy a 60 over and bypass practically the whole game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beastiel View Post
    One of the biggest appeals to classic wow is the return to faction exclusivity - the factions actually feeling different. This has been killed in today's wow by all mounts being available in some form to both factions, account shared cosmetics, removal of PvP servers which previously didn't allow you to have characters of both faction, and things like mercenary mode.

    They said no to a new character model toggle.

    So if they didn't consider a small optional cosmetic change, why do you think they would implement a change that directly goes against the spirit of classic wow?
    This person gets it.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I didn't ask for Classic, literally never asked for it. I like current WoW better (though there are things I miss from vanilla/BC) and I was firmly of the 'Blizz is never going to release classic servers, FFS stop making topics about it' mindset until they actually announced Classic servers.

    As for your question? See the bolded part of your own post. I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but here it goes again: if you don't like vanilla WoW, you weren't the target audience for Classic in the first place. Therefore there is no reason they should cater to people like you, there is no reason they should alter the thing that literally MILLIONS of people are already happy with.

    "But but they could make separate classic+ servers!" And by doing so they divide the player base further than Classic already has, which is detrimental all around.

    At Blizzcon they made it clear: they are not interested in adding things to Classic that weren't a part of the experience back in 2004-2006, when they cited HD models as a popular request but shot down the possibility. They are committed to Classic being a faithful recreation of the original 1.12x client, and that's how it should be.

    If retail isn't good enough, and classic isn't good enough, it is time to find another game to play.
    As someone who spends a lot of time playing Old School RuneScape largely because of Jagex' 'Classic +' design philosophy, I just can't get behind what you're saying. I guarantee that there are 'millions' of people that would rejoice in classic+, perhaps even more than are enjoying classic as it is currently.

    When I say classic + I don't mean new zones, raids, classes, abilities or even rebalancing (though I would actually be down for this, I can understand why it could be a problem). I mean fixes, quality of life changes that were around as early as TBC without actually releasing TBC; The design philosophy surrounding classic is phenominal, the execution is not. Why people are so up in arms about fixing 30 minute respawn rates for a single mob or quest zones being literally unfinished until later expansions (Dustwallow Marsh, for example) is beyond me.

    Truthfully, I don't even know what I'd want to change about classic; There've been lots of little things that have had me going, "Well this is stupid" but I have no idea which of those actually need to change, frankly I've not thought about it enough. The mentality that it can't change regardless of how stupid it is though, that bothers me. I respect where the no-change crowd is coming from but I just can't get behind it, I doubt I ever will.

    I already don't play Classic. That's not going to stop me from expressing opinions on a forum about it.
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  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    only the entrance and sometimes the royal room ones,but the inside general quarters wwere usualy smaller,also even the big doors had smaller ones carved in them so to not alwways needing to open the main big one
    ..no.

    Degree in medieval history.

    Humans dont build doors that are just barely big enough to walk through. Particularly in a castle, doors had to have arches to support the weight. Also, the “people were so much smaller” thing is a myth.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    ..no.

    Degree in medieval history.

    Humans dont build doors that are just barely big enough to walk through. Particularly in a castle, doors had to have arches to support the weight. Also, the “people were so much smaller” thing is a myth.
    dude I live in romania,I have visited a few castles in my 3 decades,the doors are bloody small

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Galathir View Post
    Well, if anything will do, I've heard Final Fantasy XIV is pretty good.
    Not the pvp that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I appreciate the civil reply, but I seriously do not see them doing that even if they caved. That's giving away potentially millions of free level 60s, which negates a whole lot of content and gameplay. Whats the point of 'Classic+' if you just copy a 60 over and bypass practically the whole game?
    To me, Classic+ would be a continuation of classic, an alternate timeline, a "what-if" scenario. Lorewise, they could use the Infinite Dragonflight to propel these changes, and release the content in patches. They could balance the class outputs, but keep the mechanics intact. All while the regular classic servers stay pristine.

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    I think the very, very, VERY last thing Classic+ should ever have if it happened (and it probably won't) is a mode to hide the fact that split factions are a dumb, BS idea. Especially if one of those two factions always gets neglected by the developers and everything that could be great about it handed to the other team for absolutely no reason.

    Mercenary mode was nothing but a band-aid fix to hide how incredibly stupid split-factions actually are. And THAT is what Blizzard should finally face up and fix. Not implemement more band-aids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roboscorcher View Post
    To me, Classic+ would be a continuation of classic, an alternate timeline, a "what-if" scenario. Lorewise, they could use the Infinite Dragonflight to propel these changes, and release the content in patches. They could balance the class outputs, but keep the mechanics intact. All while the regular classic servers stay pristine.
    And see, that's the funny thing to me.

    You guys actually want the team that brought you Warlords of Draenor to make another alternate-timeline expansion - and not just any old alternate-timeline expansion, but one for Classic. The team that most of you 'vanilla was better' types blame for ruining WoW, would be the group making your Classic+ content. You guys can't stand the current game, but you want new content for the version of WoW that you consider a testiment to how far modern WoW has supposedly fallen - from the people who made the current game.

    You guys think you're going to draw up these big 'how to' lists and Blizz is going to just say 'okay we'll make it your way'? If they did Classic+ they would make it their way, and their way is why so many of you wanted Classic in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    And see, that's the funny thing to me.

    You guys actually want the team that brought you Warlords of Draenor to make another alternate-timeline expansion - and not just any old alternate-timeline expansion, but one for Classic. The team that most of you 'vanilla was better' types blame for ruining WoW, would be the group making your Classic+ content. You guys can't stand the current game, but you want new content for the version of WoW that you consider a testiment to how far modern WoW has supposedly fallen - from the people who made the current game.

    You guys think you're going to draw up these big 'how to' lists and Blizz is going to just say 'okay we'll make it your way'? If they did Classic+ they would make it their way, and their way is why so many of you wanted Classic in the first place.
    TBH I didn't want Classic. I was a-OK with Brack's infamous line, back when he said it. I started playing in Wrath, so I never really had nostalgia for Classic. When I played the lvl 20 ret during the Blizzcon demo, I quit after 15 minutes. I thought it was stupid.

    Then I watched some Asmon videos, like his Deadmines run. The game looked like a real challenge, and he listed off a bunch of point which made me think of the game a little differently.

    When Classic actually launched, it was an experience unlike an expansion launch. The game was actually challenging, because no one had boosts or gold to aid them. It felt like a true level playing field, which was refreshing. Leveling was competitive, which eased me into this simpler version of WoW. Now, I play this game because of the economy and the community. The simpler mechanics have grown on me, and I really appreciate how players depend on each other more than in retail.

    For those reasons, I want to see Classic continue with fresh content after Phase 6. I will still be playing Shadowlands, and I think a lot of players will switch back and forth if Blizz staggers the content properly.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by CrawlFromThePit View Post
    AKA you could have played any of the much better games out there yet you prefer to play a game that makes you want to created forum threads about how you want to change it.

    Simply put, you don't like what you play as much as you should, yet you follow the sheeps as if WoW was a lifestyle instead of a game and nothing more. Just following the trend, not listening to yourself.
    Name 1 better and more popular MMORPG

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    Oh, so now we're comparing living conditions which can literally mean the difference between life and death, to how convenient it is or isn't playing WoW. You just medalled in Mental Gymnastics.
    Literally any simile falls apart if you try to make A=A and B=B and thus A=B arguments. That's the point of a simile. More to the point, the Amish population genuinely believe they are living a better life than the modern populace. For a majority of their population, no amount of evidence can sway them against their beliefs. Cognitive dissonance is only a powerful tool if the subject already had doubts. The MMORPG bubble burst a longtime ago. There are a handful of diehard purists clinging on to the idea, but a vast majority of the online playerbase has moved on to other offerings that do not require a near constant time sink to be viable. You are a specialist in a generalist world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    And see, that's the funny thing to me.

    You guys actually want the team that brought you Warlords of Draenor to make another alternate-timeline expansion - and not just any old alternate-timeline expansion, but one for Classic. The team that most of you 'vanilla was better' types blame for ruining WoW, would be the group making your Classic+ content. You guys can't stand the current game, but you want new content for the version of WoW that you consider a testiment to how far modern WoW has supposedly fallen - from the people who made the current game.

    You guys think you're going to draw up these big 'how to' lists and Blizz is going to just say 'okay we'll make it your way'? If they did Classic+ they would make it their way, and their way is why so many of you wanted Classic in the first place.
    And so you're going to play the same content that was available 15 years ago until you die?

  12. #92
    Horde acts like cancer, makes ally players quit, horde now wants to "fix" horde queues.

    People were talking about this in week 1 of phase 2, how horde's behavior during the wpvp phase (which seems to have been a cross-realm phenomena) would have large consequences for them, you made this bed now lie in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuroticaine View Post
    And so you're going to play the same content that was available 15 years ago until you die?
    Giving people an official means to experience the game as it existed 14-15 years ago was literally the exact point of Classic, so yes.

    If it isn't good enough for you, there's about 70,000 other games you can play.

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    forums are nice, they allow to discuss many things, including nonsense and things that doesn't happen outside the brain.
    classic exists to be preserved, you have retail wow to witness the end result of changes and classic+.
    think of classic like a retro game cartridge. very popular among passionate gamers. and potentially infinitely replayable.

  15. #95
    Nope. Reroll Alliance if you want instant queues (and often start with 20-30 people in AV vs 40 horde instant). Everything has its ups and downs.
    You want to dominate in the World and still get instant queue? Suck it up. You win some, you lose some.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonman View Post
    What do you think?

    I dont see any cons. AV Queues are already becomng 20min+ for Horde
    Gamers are different in 2019, Mercenary Mode would only make me play the game more

    Perfect fit if u ask me, almost like Classic needs it more than Retail does since noone does BGs on Retail

    No. Roll Alliance if you want faster queue's. Everyone knew this would happen from before launch and still you rolled Horde.

    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    there wasnt this extreme imbalance in 2004/2005,blizzard would ironicaly recreate vanila much better by actualy making changes,tali made an excelent point in a video of his by comparing it to someone making a castle to try and live like those people in those times,exept the doors would be to small so they have to bend as people were shorter before,so by altering the doors to make them larger you would actualy make a more accurate experience,change=/=bad
    That is true but that is because we did not have a retail that has been horde only mode more or less for years alread so most people want to play horde in classic because thats what they play on retail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    No, Classic's a nostalgia trip, and a relic, no changes. Any cool ideas should be implemented into Retail.
    Even you are so annoying and can't stand your face, for the first time ever, I totally agree with you on this... bravo champo!!!...

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    ..no.

    Degree in medieval history.

    Humans dont build doors that are just barely big enough to walk through. Particularly in a castle, doors had to have arches to support the weight. Also, the “people were so much smaller” thing is a myth.
    Your history degree from a box of cerial aint worth much i see.
    You live in the states dont you and actually never went in to a castle?

    Doors are usualy tiny in castles and forts and people where shorter back then. It is not a myth it is a fact. I dont know what brand of cerial you bought but i would try and change brand to try and get a new degree if i where you.

    Also normal houses had tiny doors also. I am short for being a male in my country and i have to bend to get through a "normal" doorway in a "normal" house that was built around 1400-1600.
    Last edited by Annelie; 2019-12-29 at 09:58 PM.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    If it isn't good enough for you, there's about 70,000 other games you can play.
    Which I am, thanks.

  20. #100
    Live with the consequences of your purism. This is what the game was.
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    Having the authority to do a thing doesn't make it just, moral, or even correct.

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