Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Ghostpanther]

And yet, Christianity Today sees boost in new subscriptions after calling for Trump's removal

“A stereotypical response is ‘thank you, thank you, thank you’ with a string of a hundred exclamation points — ‘you’ve said what I’ve been thinking but haven’t been able to articulate, I’m not crazy,'" Galli told MSNBC.

“We have lost subscribers, but we’ve had 3 times as many people start to subscribe,” he continued.

Galli and his magazine drew backlash last week from prominent evangelical leaders following his editorial, which was published after the House approved two articles of impeachment against Trump.

"It’s obvious that Christianity Today has moved to the left and is representing the elitist liberal wing of evangelicalism," Franklin Graham, CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan's Purse, said in his response to the piece on Facebook.

And what does this have to do with the Democrat Primary?

[kaelleria]

Obama is making sure that two of the three likely democratic nominees would be lavishly funded, which is what they will need to beat trump.

Remember Democrats: $2 billion. A number you will come to fear. That is what Trump will raise to win in 2020. You will have to beat him by earning somewhere in the ballpark of $1 billion. Ideologues can spew their anti-big donor nonsense but Obama understands that to win, the Democrat will need a massive operation. And that requires money to build.

It’s broadly understood Obama prefers Biden but would probably be okay with Warren. If it were to be Sanders, he’d intervene to stop it, lest we get an American Jeremy Corbyn on our hands.

Biden and Buttigieg seem to be the only frontrunners that actually get this...

But I suppose that makes sense when you're purposefully misleading voters on how you handle financing...

https://mobile.twitter.com/oldladyde...54589804679168

TLDR - Sanders and Warren both transferred huge sums of money from their previous Senate campaigns to the point where Sanders transferred over 75% of what he raised in 2018. Sanders has also done some pretty shitty things with public financing to maintain his warchest (hiring a content team to keep him in the media with public funding, floating fake bills) and coordinated with his Super PAC.

Also... Warren is toast unless Iowa polls break differently than I think they will. Her fundraising fight is backfiring pretty hard in Iowa from the people I've spoken to. Obviously this is completely anecdotal, but I don't think people see it as a win for her.

[JohnBrown1917]

i think his intention is to get everyone he can behind whomever the primary candidate ends up being.

Unless its Bernie.

[tyrlaan]

Obama talks up Warren behind closed doors to wealthy donors

Sen. Elizabeth Warren has spent her presidential campaign railing against the donor class, making it known she doesn't want their help.

She has publicly bashed millionaires, has sworn off high-dollar fundraisers and has refused large checks from Democratic bundlers.

But behind the scenes in recent months, former President Obama has gone to bat for Warren (D-Mass.) when speaking to donors reluctant to support her given her knocks on Wall Street and the wealthy.

And if Warren becomes the nominee, Obama has said they must throw the entirety of their support behind her.

The former president has stopped short of an endorsement of Warren in these conversations and has emphasized that he is not endorsing in the Democratic primary race.

But he also has vouched for her credentials, making it clear in these private sessions that he deems her a capable candidate and potential president, sources say.

“He’s asked all of the candidates who have sought his advice three questions: Is your family behind you? Why you? And why now? She checked the box for all,” said one longtime Obama ally.

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Like breaking wind in an elevator/lift.

The part in bold should be fucking true regardless of who wins the nomination.

[Skroe]

The part in bold should be fucking true regardless of who wins the nomination.

The concern is, again, that there be a recognition of the resource requirement to win in 2020. Bernie and Elizabeth Warren have been in a race to the bottom in saying how they’ll deny themselves certain resources.

$2 billion, Democrats. $2 billion. That’s what’s coming to get our collective side.

[Machismo]

I don't like Biden as a human, and I find Sanders and Warren way too far away from me politically to supports. I like Buttigieg. He's a perfect counter to asshats like Trump. He's young, moderate, well-spoken, and will be very good at raising money. He doesn't come across as a creepy scumbag, and Trump will have a hard time trying to go low against him.

I wouldn't vote for most Democrats in any normal election, but I'd vote for Buttigieg in a heartbeat over Trump.

[draynay]

I wouldn't vote for most Democrats in any normal election

Sometimes its nice to dream of the day where we might have a normal election.

[Machismo]

Sometimes its nice to dream of the day where we might have a normal election.

If I only had two options, I would vote for almost any human on the planet over Trump. Luckily, there's more than two options.

Trump is scum, he's exactly what is wrong with humanity as a whole. He's a racist authoritarian, peeping Tom, and sexual assaulter. The fact that he got any votes at all, shows just how unprincipled a great many people happen to be.

[JohnBrown1917]

I don't like Biden as a human, and I find Sanders and Warren way too far away from me politically to supports. I like Buttigieg. He's a perfect counter to asshats like Trump. He's young, moderate, well-spoken, and will be very good at raising money. He doesn't come across as a creepy scumbag, and Trump will have a hard time trying to go low against him.

I wouldn't vote for most Democrats in any normal election, but I'd vote for Buttigieg in a heartbeat over Trump.

So moderate he is willing to sent the military into Mexico.

[Machismo]

So he moderate he is willing to sent the military into Mexico.

Compared to the fascists, national socialists, and socialists, yes, he's a moderate.

[Shadowferal]

And what does this have to do with the Democrat Primary?

That question came a page late.
However as things have moved back on topic...drops it.

[Blur4stuff]

I don't think moderate/conservative democrats have to worry about voting for Sanders/Warren or even Yang if that manages to happen. For the most part, a lot of the big actions they take will be very similar if not exactly the same as Biden/Buttigieg. For everything else that has to go through congress, it's going to be tempered by all of the moderate dems there. As much as I support some of Sander's proposals, there's is zero chance they become law exactly as he has laid them out even if dems control the senate too and completely ditch the filibuster.

There's really no risk of anything extreme left becoming law. By the time those kinds of things happen all of the old farts in congress will be Gen X & Y.

[I Push Buttons]

I don't think moderate/conservative democrats have to worry about voting for Sanders/Warren or even Yang if that manages to happen. For the most part, a lot of the big actions they take will be very similar if not exactly the same as Biden/Buttigieg. For everything else that has to go through congress, it's going to be tempered by all of the moderate dems there. As much as I support some of Sander's proposals, there's is zero chance they become law exactly as he has laid them out even if dems control the senate too and completely ditch the filibuster.

There's really no risk of anything extreme left becoming law. By the time those kinds of things happen all of the old farts in congress will be Gen X & Y.

Only fringe leftists constantly go on about how Sanders will become a dreamy socialist dictator and ram through a lot of his policy via executive orders and set the country on the path towards their ideal socialist utopia.

Some of the things they claim he can and will do with executive orders as Supreme Leader Sanders:

- Cancel all student debt.
- End all immigration detention and deportation.
- Grant legal status to illegal immigrants.
- Enact Green New Deal policies by declaring a climate emergency.
- Close all private prisons and amend the entire criminal justice system (like eliminating all federal funding for jurisdictions that don't abolish cash bail, for example).
- Amend the entire welfare system to do things like get rid of means-testing, among other things, to make it 'more equitable'.
- Withdraw the military from across the entire globe back to the US.

And that's just some off the top of my head (some of them Sanders himself has promised to do, so its not just entirely fringe leftist fantasy either). I am sure they have claimed others as well. They also say he can and should stack the Supreme Court to be massive and filled with fringe leftist judges to uphold all of his dictatorial decrees that are challenged in the courts.

[JohnBrown1917]

I don't think moderate/conservative democrats have to worry about voting for Sanders/Warren or even Yang if that manages to happen. For the most part, a lot of the big actions they take will be very similar if not exactly the same as Biden/Buttigieg. For everything else that has to go through congress, it's going to be tempered by all of the moderate dems there. As much as I support some of Sander's proposals, there's is zero chance they become law exactly as he has laid them out even if dems control the senate too and completely ditch the filibuster.

There's really no risk of anything extreme left becoming law. By the time those kinds of things happen all of the old farts in congress will be Gen X & Y.

Far left policies would be a bit hard with nobody in the primary, the house or the senate who is Far left.

[Warning]

So moderate he is willing to sent the military into Mexico.

Seems pretty moderate to me yes.

[Jack Colquitt]

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[Draco-Onis]

Obama is making sure that two of the three likely democratic nominees would be lavishly funded, which is what they will need to beat trump.

Remember Democrats: $2 billion. A number you will come to fear. That is what Trump will raise to win in 2020. You will have to beat him by earning somewhere in the ballpark of $1 billion. Ideologues can spew their anti-big donor nonsense but Obama understands that to win, the Democrat will need a massive operation. And that requires money to build.

It’s broadly understood Obama prefers Biden but would probably be okay with Warren. If it were to be Sanders, he’d intervene to stop it, lest we get an American Jeremy Corbyn on our hands.

Bernie Sanders is not Jeremy Corbyn the comparison is ludicrous, Corbyn's an anti semite with a shifty platform whose party has a racism issue he hasn't addressed on top of showing no firm leadership on Brexit.

[Skroe]

Bernie Sanders is not Jeremy Corbyn the comparison is ludicrous, Corbyn's an anti semite with a shifty platform whose party has a racism issue he hasn't addressed on top of showing no firm leadership on Brexit.

It doesn’t matter what Bernie Sanders actually is. Factually, he is quite far from Corbyn. Sanders is a new deal democrat. Corbyn is a legit Marxist.

But facts aren’t the point. Perception is. And the perception in places that Democrats need to win to win the Presidency is, already that Sanders is too extreme and would pull the party to the unelectable left. Democrats need to play the game here with the yokels of Wisconsin.

[Spectral]

Bernie Sanders is not Jeremy Corbyn the comparison is ludicrous, Corbyn's an anti semite with a shifty platform whose party has a racism issue he hasn't addressed on top of showing no firm leadership on Brexit.

Regardless of the truth claim of Corbyn being an anti-Semite (I have no opinion, never cared enough to dig in much), it's just plain weird that this was a big deal in a British election.

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Democrats need to play the game here with the yokels of Wisconsin.

It's weird that you don't really even pretend like you don't hate most of the country. That's probably not a winning strategy, but maybe it'll work this time around.

[Draco-Onis]

Regardless of the truth claim of Corbyn being an anti-Semite (I have no opinion, never cared enough to dig in much), it's just plain weird that this was a big deal in a British election.

I agree it's weird since Boris is a racist himself it just seem people didn't like Corbyn he reminds me of Ted Cruz.