Sylvanas is suffocating Alleria progress

[Ielenia]

She went from a Silvermoon hardline loyalist who hated the orcs for what they did to Quel'thalas to a traitor to her people with like 0 story development.

Her son is Alliance. Her husband is Alliance. Her sister is Alliance. The blood elves have sided with the orcs, which she fought all her life until being 'drafted' to fight the Legion. And Alleria did not "betray her people." This is just you playing at absurdity.

Oh and also she's like the bestest ever at shadow magic now because of reasons.

Likely spent a hundred or so years studying the void under Locus-Walker's tutelage is not "because reasons". And no one ever said she's "the bestest ever" at shadow magic. Agan, this is just you playing at absurdity.

Can you count moving from Point A to Point Z as character progress even if you skip Points B through Y?

Which steps were skipped? As far as I can see, all steps are accounted for.

[Kyphael]

^ this

void elves are as bad or worse than WoD plot

They're better. The worst aspect to them is they were made to replace a more logical, popular and requested option (to no avail) and with little world building prior to their introduction. They literally come to exist out of nowhere. It was a cosmic anomaly, the catalyst (Alleria) anyway. They're a freak accident that Umbric replicated. If we had been introduced to the concept through proper world building earlier like Nightborne had an entire great zone dedicated to assimilating them into the world, they would have been received better, but Blizzard introduced them lazily as a poor man's High Elf variant, both in their introduction and aesthetically.

[Varodoc]

They're better. The worst aspect to them is they were made to replace a more logical, popular and requested option (to no avail) and with little world building prior to their introduction. They literally come to exist out of nowhere. It was a cosmic anomaly, the catalyst (Alleria) anyway. They're a freak accident that Umbric replicated. If we had been introduced to the concept through proper world building earlier like Nightborne had an entire great zone dedicated to assimilating them into the world, they would have been received better, but Blizzard introduced them lazily as a poor man's High Elf variant, both in their introduction and aesthetically.

The nightborne themselves were also an asspull, since back in Warcraft III there was no mention or element whatsoever that hinted at the presence of a big ass bubble literally behind the Tomb of Sargeras.

[Kyphael]

The nightborne themselves were also an asspull, since back in Warcraft III there was no mention or element whatsoever that hinted at the presence of a big ass bubble literally behind the Tomb of Sargeras.

Yes, but a better executed asspull!

[BaumanKing]

If Ny'alotha was a zone like Argus or even just Nazjatar with an actual questline in it, I can guarantee you that Alleria would have played an actual role in 8.3

I believe Alleria and Turalyon will play major roles in another cosmic conflict against Void Lords or something. That's definitely in store for them, so that's why Blizzard aren't ready to use them yet.

[Artelia]

Her son is Alliance. Her husband is Alliance. Her sister is Alliance. The blood elves have sided with the orcs, which she fought all her life until being 'drafted' to fight the Legion. And Alleria did not "betray her people."

Alleria betrayed her people and her family when first intercourse with Turalyon happened. Same goes for Veressa. So yes. Her husband is Alliance and her son is creepy Alliance mutant. But she is still traitor. Noting will ever change that. No matter how hard high elves fans will cry. Her choice was Elves or Alliance. She choosed Alliance.

She is a traitor. As every high elf who still remain somewhere in god forsaken Alliance lore.

[Varodoc]

I believe Alleria and Turalyon will play major roles in another cosmic conflict against Void Lords or something. That's definitely in store for them, so that's why Blizzard aren't ready to use them yet.

Indeed. I'm just saying that the reason why fewer characters are in the spotlight in 8.3 as compared to, for example, 7.3 (where there were 3 new zones) has to do with the fact that Ny'alotha itself isn't a zone with its own questline but just a raid.

[Leyre]

Alleria, was just an elf womb for a human, nothing else, her purpossed its done

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

Alleria is just useless. You have an Old God expansion with N'Zoth manifesting and shit? Her only contribution to the whole deal is talking with the murderhobos after the whole deal is finished, chilling on a ship, and being the antagonist on an alternative reality.

It's not Sylvanas, because Sylvanas barely does anything in 8.3, and barely anything on the Xal'atath quest line. It's just she is a poor excuse to have Void users seen as good and to trashtalk Sylvanas even further, a waste of the potential exploration of the inherent struggles of handling the Void while trying to be in charge of it instead of the opposite.

Maybe if we get a light-void expansion in the future, and she doesn't get her ass kicked by Azshara (who can possibly become a massive void wielded and is 12000000 times more interesting at this moment) or even knaifu, we might see her being relevant. But even then, she also has to overcome the fact she is an utter disrespectful moron with little to no conexion with reality, as shown by her complete lack of will to understand anything that her former people passed through in her abscence, her inability to not try to corrupt the Sunwell despite clear instructions given about it, her complete lack of self criticism about that situation, and also her hypocritical approach to Sylvanas and Vereesa, where she couldn't control herself yet she told her sisters she was actually winning the battle against the whispers.

[Varodoc]

Also I forgot to mention in my first post how Alleria also points out after N'Zoth's defeat that the whispers have been getting worse despite the Old God's fall and that "new voices have joined the chorus". She will definitely play a major role in the upcoming Light and Void expansion.

[BaumanKing]

They're better. The worst aspect to them is they were made to replace a more logical, popular and requested option (to no avail) and with little world building prior to their introduction. They literally come to exist out of nowhere. It was a cosmic anomaly, the catalyst (Alleria) anyway. They're a freak accident that Umbric replicated. If we had been introduced to the concept through proper world building earlier like Nightborne had an entire great zone dedicated to assimilating them into the world, they would have been received better, but Blizzard introduced them lazily as a poor man's High Elf variant, both in their introduction and aesthetically.

It is unfortunate, that Blizzard writers forgot how blood elves of the Sunfury consumed the energies of Outland's voidwalkers to power their magics in BC. Incident at Manaforge Ultris could have been a great set up for void elves' backstory.

[Kyphael]

It is unfortunate, that Blizzard writers forgot how blood elves of the Sunfury consumed the energies of Outland's voidwalkers to power their magics in BC. Incident at Manaforge Ultris could have been a great set up for void elves' backstory.

You're right, I had forgotten that, that was the perfect set up.

[Nnyco]

Implying she wasnt just a trophy-wife of turalyon from day one.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

^ this

void elves are as bad or worse than WoD plot

That's really reaching now. Void Elves just lack lore because of rushed and bad writers. Don't forget Void Elves share the same background as Sin'dorei and Quel'dorei. If BFA was fit to be a faction war and not rushing Azshara and N'Zoth in it we would've seen them involved in the Alliance attacking/retaking Silvermoon.

[BaumanKing]

Implying she wasnt just a trophy-wife of turalyon from day one.

She isn't tho. Unlike Rhonin & Veressa (where she is literally his trophy wife, even after his death she's still based around him) or even Sylvanas & Nathanos (where he is literally her lap dog), Turalyon & Alleria are equal and complement each other greatly. I can't really imagine him without her and vice versa.

[Dakhath]

Implying she wasnt just a trophy-wife of turalyon from day one.

This is one of the biggest swing and misses that I've seen on the lore forum for awhile. I'm not even a huge Windrunner fanboy, of any flavor, but yikes. She is every bit Turalyons equal. I mean Turalyon before Blizzard destroyed him with Legion, not the travesty we have now.

[Rendark]

Since void elves are the worst thing ever, Alleria being one is what kills her story.

[Phaelia]

Hopefully she progresses to her grave with a chance at 640 ilvl loot

[Syegfryed]

Everything related to elves is retarded.
The less we have the better.

that, fixed

let the windrunners kill each other and Vereesa die in the cross-fire

[Ielenia]

Alleria betrayed her people and her family when first intercourse with Turalyon happened.

Yeah. Ok. Mmhm. Sure.

See you around.