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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Ah. The cycle continues and people who are concerned about "toxicity" magically shut the fuck up when it comes from people they agree with.
    I agree with them that kylo shouldn’t have died but there still toxic as is par for the Starwars course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I agree with them that kylo shouldn’t have died but there still toxic as is par for the Starwars course.
    I don't see people dedicated to talking about them in this thread. But, then again. This is the forum where not liking TLJ is enough to have the word toxic start appearing.

    Besides. We all know JJ is free game while RJ isn't allowed to be questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    I don't see people dedicated to talking about them in this thread. But, then again. This is the forum where not liking TLJ is enough to have the word toxic start appearing.

    Besides. We all know JJ is free game while RJ isn't allowed to be questioned.
    I’d assume when some one says the fanbase is toxic they would include stuff like this or any general attack on movie makers/actors but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Ah. The cycle continues and people who are concerned about "toxicity" magically shut the fuck up when it comes from people they agree with.
    The best part is honestly seeing SJW trash, or progressive's turn full racist shitheads when it comes to Bogeya after his twitter posts.

    You can take a wild guess what forum this is from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangebrew View Post
    The best part is honestly seeing SJW trash, or progressive's turn full racist shitheads when it comes to Bogeya after his twitter posts.

    You can take a wild guess what forum this is from.
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    Seems more likely they were being sexist if they are SjW’s But you never know.

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    It was... passable. That second movie was still some of the worst shit to ever happen to star wars, but this was passable. I can't wait to see them butcher what little of Rey's character there actually is in like 2-3 decades.
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  7. #5427
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I just figured out how to describe the sequel trilogy it's a fanfiction blend of Twilight and the OT. You have the super special girl and the brooding rebel against authority replacing Luke and Vader respectively and then the overall structure is pretty much the same as the OT right down to ending with Vader I mean Kylo dying and redeeming himself . Maybe next time they can cross it with Independence Day and everyone can die instead.
    You forgot something important that was pivotal to the Twilight movies... topless male scene to show off how buff they are to the female lead! I do remember the first thought I had when I saw TLJ and that Force Skype call between Rey and Kylo after they cut to him shirtless... "Please don't say Kylo is a lycan... please don't go there..." Ironically enough, I almost thought JJ was going to treat TLJ like they treated most of the last act in the Twilight movies: almost the entire ending was just a premonition. I'm sure I'm missing parallels, but I've only seen those movies once when my wife wanted to see them when they were popular.

    So I went back and rewatched the entire new trilogy just to see if I could get a different read on it when I was rewatching it, and it really comes off a high-budget fan fiction. I can understand why people would get a little irate about a high budget film feeling only like a fan fiction (not Twitter crazy, but Twitter does tend to attract younger people who get a little... emotional, to say the least). The entire trilogy feels like someone wrote themselves as the protagonist via Rey. Considering all the comments from the people (Kennedy, JJ, etc.) in charge throughout the production of these movies, it's not really a surprise that Rey came off as such with most of the other characters existing to validate her.

    Say what you want about the prequels, I could at least tell what the story was and follow the narrative, and I could explain the plot for the trilogy with relative confidence. Yes, most of the dialogue got in the way and was pretty horrid, and only a few actors managed to pull off the lines in a convincing/good manner (McGregor and McDiarmid)... but if you view what you're seeing and hearing as an opera instead of just a movie, it makes a lot more sense/enjoyable. I'd argue that some of the best scenes in the Star Wars movies actually come from the prequels, especially the opera scene between Palpatine and Anakin (helps that almost the entire scene is kept to McDiarmid's dialogue, and the entire atmosphere of the scene really comes off great).

    When it comes to the new trilogy, I can't make the same parallels. A lot of it has to do with (sorry to beat a dead horse here) Disney having no plan. Lucas, with all his flaws and tendencies to go off the rails, still had an overall vision and plan that is apparent in his movies. Seriously, just try to think of what happens in each of the trilogies and the themes the trilogies try to grapple with along the way. OT and prequels have a storyline and character arcs/motivations that deal with some serious themes, and I'm sure people could rattle off a general storyline/themes that a person who hadn't seen the OT/prequels could understand and relate to. The new trilogy? Here, I'll give Johnson some credit here: he tried to interject themes to some degree into his movie, and everything just came off nihilistic in the end. Otherwise, everything just becomes an muddled mess with no real message/theme in this new trilogy.
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  8. #5428
    Pure garbage and I'm not even disappointed. Only a miracle could redeem the previous two and this was the wrong kind of miracle

  9. #5429
    You can say anything you want about the movies, but they had fantastic actors on their hand like Driver and Isaac. Ridley will probably have a harder time moving on from this, hell Driver and Isaac had better movie then star wars to their name before and during star wars. Luckily its unlikelly these movies were enough to stop their career, if it does, it would be another shit from this movie. Id understand them coming back for the money, but id increase my cost by a shotload if i was them and disney wanted em back. They are worth more then disney star wars. Isaac was already a well loved actor with very good roles to his name, fuck star wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    so what's the issue here? are people so angry that kylo ren was killed?
    I don't really care much for star wars, went in and watched it (didn't see the previous one, so read up on it) and thought it was fine
    Some, others is that the story between Rey and Kylo means its "glorifiying" women abuse. The rest of the world needs to start working with my system. When ever someone starts anything with: "Objectification" and "Glorification", you need to simply not read their text, nothing smart is coming out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I’d assume when some one says the fanbase is toxic they would include stuff like this or any general attack on movie makers/actors but I could be wrong.
    No. You can see that from the lack of awareness of people calling others toxic while deeming others sexist or racist for not worshipping a character or the movies.

    It'd be one thing if those people really did only focus on that kind of stupidity. But that isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    No. You can see that from the lack of awareness of people calling others toxic while deeming others sexist or racist for not worshipping a character or the movies.

    It'd be one thing if those people really did only focus on that kind of stupidity. But that isn't the case.
    "Toxicity" isn't about whether they liked the film or not.

    It's the wishing death and harm on Abrams et al for creating the film they hate. That kind of venom and abuse is what's "toxic".


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    Quote Originally Posted by cordrann View Post
    I really don't understand this obsession people have with "cannon" vs. "non-cannon". At the end of the day, these stories only exist in your head, and nothing is actually "cannon". Nothing is stopping you from going on with the notion that the Thrawn trilogy is "real" Star Wars, because in reality there is no Star Wars.
    To us, canon matters for two things:

    1) What you should expect or not in the movies or official productions. The "canon" concerns mainly the creators, who must respect it the best they can (knowing that nothing's perfect down here).

    Ex.: if they ever make a movie with the Yuuzhan Vong as the main vilains, I expect that Luke and Leia will not be there, since they are now dead. And the Vongs may not be exactly as what we have seen in the old EU books.

    2) Discussions about the stories of the afore mentionned movies or official productions. Discussions need to have a common ground. If we're talking about the movies and the role Thrawn may have in future productions, it is useless to talk about EU Thrawn.

    Canon does not matter on what you prefer. You can still enjoy Legends, and even prefer them over the official storyline, but you cannot expect the movie makers to stick to the stories Legends told. Likewise, you can hate the new movies, but you can't brush it off as if they have never been made when you are talking about the movies. Like it or not, they are now part of the storyline, and the events and characters that we have seen in them will have an impact on future movies, tv shows and books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    so what's the issue here? are people so angry that kylo ren was killed?
    I don't really care much for star wars, went in and watched it (didn't see the previous one, so read up on it) and thought it was fine
    Speaking for myself I am pretty pissed off he died after all that build up but not to the point that I want to kill the director.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakaroonie View Post
    Has anyone else facepalmed at the effects they used for blowing up a planet? Fire, Smoke and Chunks of planet like a real explosion ? Is this 1960?

    It's 2020. Pretty sure blowing up a planet involves more physics than just blowing a grenade.
    You're talking about a franchise that has been largely influenced by old serials like Flash Gordon (so you're looking for late 1930s-1940s, not 1960), with planets having only one ecosystem (city planet, forest planet, sea planet, desert planet, etc.), spacecrafts that make noise in space, "light" sabers that can hit each other, instant interstellar communications, etc, etc, etc. If you're looking for verisimilitude, you have chosen the wrong franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fakaroonie View Post
    Has anyone else facepalmed at the effects they used for blowing up a planet? Fire, Smoke and Chunks of planet like a real explosion ? Is this 1960?

    It's 2020. Pretty sure blowing up a planet involves more physics than just blowing a grenade.
    How much physics do lightsabers involve, or moving objects with ones mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    When Lucas handed over Star Wars to Disney and Kathleen Kennedy he called the EU a "treasure trove" of material that they expected to be the source of many movies to come, with Kennedy vowing to protect that material. So while Lucas always said the EU wasn't his story, and Lucasfilm noted Lucas wasn't bound by the EU when creating the prequels, I don't think Lucas ever said "it's not canon", and it's clear he expected Disney to keep the EU and his characters as they were.
    I believe Lucas said something like "it's not as canon as my stuff, and I'll ignore it if necessary to the stories I want to tell."

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    How much physics do lightsabers involve, or moving objects with ones mind?
    Lightsabers as a device more or less follow physics, especially since - despite the name - the blade is actually plasma held in place by a magnetic field. What's unrealistic is what happens when two blades strike each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "Toxicity" isn't about whether they liked the film or not.

    It's the wishing death and harm on Abrams et al for creating the film they hate. That kind of venom and abuse is what's "toxic".
    But that's not the standard actually being applied to the term. If that's how it was actually being used it would only come up in the tiny fraction of situations where crazy people actually say those things, and most people would nod and agree that it's a problem instead of rolling their eyes.
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  19. #5439
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    The EU wasn’t forgotten it was moved away from as it was mostly hot garbage that locked them into a ton of nonsense they have been pulling good things(and some bad) from the EU None stop.
    Read the article, she literally says that writing Star Wars scripts is hard because they don’t have books or comics they can adapt.

  20. #5440
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    You're just no fun to have on the forums. You're incredibly sure of your opinions, dismissive of other people's thoughts (while often unrecognizably twisting them) and quick to attack perspectives you don't agree with. You pretty frequently tell people that their feelings and opinions are ridiculous and invalid, while continuing to increase your record for number of times using the word literal inappropriately into the 10s of thousands.

    To this specific argument, it's totally reasonable for a fan to say that he wished the series went in a direction that added more depth because he's older, like much of the Star Wars fanbase. It's a reasonable debate to have, and to discuss how hard it is for Star Wars to please everyone. Disney clearly wants to appeal to old and new fans, right? You act like there's some inherent logic to fandom that I just don't agree with.

    I always look at your picture on the bottom and I think that you see yourself as the righteous person everyone who is attacking, but I just see someone who comes on here to pick fights instead of have fun debates.
    I'm 38. I was fine with TLJ, I don't think I'll like TRoS (haven't seen it yet). I'm an older Star Wars fan, and TLJ was exactly what I wanted - something grown up, something moving beyond the easy themes of black and white, dark side and light side, that had real, flawed human beings as characters as opposed to idealized tropes.

    Criticizing TRoS for throwing that all away is fine. So is criticizing TLJ for throwing away the formula that everyone felt comfortable with. It's not so much about making it "for kids" or not, it's about making it "comfortable" or making it something bigger. Everyone who likes TRoS likes it because it's nostalgic, and comfortable, not because they're kids. The people who liked TLJ like it because it explored some themes not seen in the mainline SW canon to that point.

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