Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
That's what really drives me crazy about this. If they want to continue with the two factions then they need to write the story in a way that is more realistic with how multi-national politics work.
The two super powers being in a low-temperature cold war where they fight small-level proxy wars through various smaller factions, which would allow the various elements who would logically be greatly opposed to peace with the other side (the extremists/fanatics/fundamentalists) who could then become directly involved here and there in skirmishes and operations. That way they can still maintain the faction "conflict" while also leaving room for the two sides to still unite on a larger scale to fight the big bads that every expansion needs.
Either that, or they give up the "two distinct factions" thing and allow grouping/guilding/full-scale interaction between the two but create factions that represent the extremists/fanatics/fundamentalists, which would then still allow for the traditional pvp/war mode gameplay and faction conflict some people want.
Anything else at this point would just be a ham-fisted attempt at preserving the faction conflict against all logic.
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
It's doesn't matter, in relations like between horde and ally it's no needed big story to make war, enough "small spark" to make big war.
Wrapping things up because it has become boring...
I'm just pointing out that specific things you have said or not evil are, in fact, racist murder. Your only responses has mostly been "is not" and to complain about my using real world analogs where it is clear genocide aspect if the situation is hard to refute.
And yes, we are playing a game where people are using real world standards of morality. If you want to suggest that you want Blizzard to allow you to commit genocide as part of "just a game", I would say a) you are doing a poor job of it, and b) Horde players aren't going to play a game that sucks for them to make it possible for you.
You are in denial, but the reality is that BfA sucked for Horde players. I don't know what to tell you if you really con't get this. But picking out things you would like (particularly things you would like without having to put up with accompanying BS that Horde players had to swollow, and claiming the average Horde player had fun, when they didn't.
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The main problem with "reparations" is that they have already hit the Horde with the villian bat so much that it is a problem. If they use another whack to trY and molify Alliance players at the expense of Horde players, they just dig themselves deepers.
I mean, I've unsubscribed and, mostly because I have given up on Blizzard developing the Horde as anything but bad guys, I'm not sure that _if_ I come back, I will ever play Horde again. Another whack of the villian bat would be another nail in the coffin.
Yes, I would guess arguing with your strawman of me is boring.
No, you have been flat out inventing things, attributing them to me, then lecturing me why they're wrong. For the last time, I have not advocated genocide, i.e. targeting people for their race. I have advocated punishing the armies that COMMITTED GENOCIDE themselves. I challenged you to quote me saying otherwise, you have failed to do so. The reason I "complain" about your real world examples is that WW2/Holocaust/etc comparisons are heavily frowned on by the mods here, if not forbidden.I'm just pointing out that specific things you have said or not evil are, in fact, racist murder. Your only responses has mostly been "is not" and to complain about my using real world analogs where it is clear genocide aspect if the situation is hard to refute.
Then I would be just like the parts of the Horde playerbase that wanted AND GOT THAT VERY THING, multiple times.If you want to suggest that you want Blizzard to allow you to commit genocide as part of "just a game"
Now turn this around and see if you can figure out why Alliance players are pissed and have been quitting for years.Horde players aren't going to play a game that sucks for them to make it possible for you.
You are in denial, but the reality is that BfA was exactly what the LolEvil Horde playerbase wanted, and they only became discontent when it shifted back to NobleSavage. There is plenty of evidence of this in this forum, the official forums, and all over the web. BfA sucked for Alliance players because we're relegated to NPCs for the benefit of the Horde playerbase. I don't know what to tell you if you really can't get this.You are in denial, but the reality is that BfA sucked for Horde players. I don't know what to tell you if you really con't get this.
Another thing you invented and attributed to me. I have said nothing of the kind.claiming the average Horde player had fun, when they didn't.
If you're actually interested in talking to me and not your strawman of me, we can continue. If not, then I agree, we're done here.
Yep, and us pointing out how much we didn't enjoy it is just us being selfish... somehow. I guess we exist to provide bodies for their BGs? The whole problem is summed up in that a blue talking about Teldrassil asked "What does this mean for the Horde?"
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Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
And another forgive-forget cuckfest for the Alliance it will kill already dying faction. Basically we got nothing, no payback, no revenge. And then they cant even have some sort of “peace offering” in good faith. Nothing. And Horde gets away with genocide and if Sylvanas becomes new Kerrigan then we cant even kill her and get that much. See what i mean? You speak a lot about how Horde feels bad, and dont want to play the game where they feel like losers all the time. Well Alliance already plays that game.
A few last points. Advocating killing some members of an Army because some of the other commited genocide is still murder. Its is like killing a German soldier on the line with Russia or a German cook in Italy because of concentration camps. And that isn't even getting into the point that, to try and spread the blame from Sylvanas and whoever fired the catapults, you cited Alliance only content. Not only is there no evidence that every soldier was involved in genocide, any knowledge of how armies work shows that is almost impossible.
And I have to say, if mock the Horde with "Please don't genocide us back! That's our thing!", and you expect people to think you have a select group in for your revenge, you might want to re-evaluate your writting.
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Well, Blizzard could easily have Tyrande lead the charge against Sylvanas the followers she took with her. But if that is enough, then we might as well give it all up on the grounds that the game is doomed. Becuase more hits with the Villian bat will solve nothing.
It's what we had in vanilla; the main factions had an uneasy truce, but local conflicts and proxy wars raged in places such as Alterac Valley and Warsong Gulch. Back then the lore was very much on the backseat so not much was made of it, but it was still a situation that would have allowed for some good faction war stories to be told.
The problem started in Wrath, when they made Garrosh both important and hyper anti-Alliance all of a sudden, and brought back Varian to be his equivalent on the blue team, in the name of "put the WAR back in WARcraft" as if so far we'd been giving each other massages or some shit. The Garrosh was made Warchief to escalate the war and since then faction lore has been pure shit, with the Alliance taking hits but being unable to truly hit back and the Horde being stuck with the villain bat and cycle of rebellion. Not sure who had it worse, but I am sure that nobody had it good.
There's really no reason that the Genn vs Sylvanas conflict, for example -which is a pretty compelling one I think- to not have been able to continue on a micro scale, with Forsaken and Worgen forces waging guerrilla warfare in Silverpine and Hillsbrad without having the drag the entire Horde and Alliance into the mess.
And Alliance is doomed without us taking harsh actions against the Horde because there is only so much of humiliation you can go through until you become a joke and wither. So what? Playing Alliance dosent feel bad... it feels disgusting. It feels like literally being cucked. Would you want to play like that?
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I want a new war started by Tyrande and her Elves. I want her to wage a holy war for Elune and slaughter innocents only to discover that Elune is no goddess at all (and it’s extremely unlikely that Elune is anything more than just a Loa the Night Elves venerated when they were still the Dark Trolls) but in truth an unknown female-ish Old God(dess) that has been playing a long-con on her and her people.
Don’t ask me to explain my idiocy; I’m in my early 40’s and still don’t understand it myself.
Oh but what does this mean for the Horde?
I like how one of the arguments in favor of the usual "pin the latest rampage on a scapegoat, the Horde dindu nuffin, let us walk away" is that Horde players would feel bad. Well how the hell do they think Alliance players feel, always having to be idiots with targets on their backs?
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Yep, we've only been shitting on NElves since Cata, let's keep piling it on by destroying one of the key points of their lore!
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
I find the Night Elves to be utterly boring and pointless, little better than a bunch of tree-hugging hippies. I can see how a fan of NElfs would dislike it, but something that truly shook them to the core and entirely dismantled over ten thousand-plus years of beliefs would send them into a spiral of self-destruction and would make them pretty damn interesting. Yeah they lost their precious tree and a lot of them were murdered when the tree was set on fire, but I still expect Blizz to pull a re-do during the end of the Shadowlands expansion and somehow resurrect the majority of the Nelfs that were burnt into crispy critters, entirely trivializing the recent events. So, with that in mind, I think that a truly massive shake-up, one that can’t just be retconned out in an expansion or two thanks to new Titan/Light/Void/Shadowlands Super Special Magic-y Magic would be pretty awesome.
Don’t ask me to explain my idiocy; I’m in my early 40’s and still don’t understand it myself.