Why flying being gated behind rep grind makes no sense

[SirCowdog]

Nope, because what you are saying is ( correct me if i am wrong btw). That if you do all the achievements you get flying. And i am against that. I think a small period ( going to say a curse word now) ...timegate the achievement is correct.

That is the difference. sorry if it did not come over correctly.

So you think that the time it takes to complete the Pathfinder(for the expansion, or just for each zone) is not enough by itself? That an additional buffer must be placed on top? If that's the case, why even have pathfinder at all? Just place an arbitrary date for when flight unlocks and be done without irritating players by forcing them through a laundry list of mostly empty chores.

[Muajin76]

The hardcore no-lifed it in a record time anyway, so gating didn't stop them from zooming through it. The losers are the casuals who support this game, yet they get treated with repetitive boring chores every day leaving them no time to really enjoy the game. It makes absolutely no sense.

I quit several times and even when I reactivated, I played once, or twice max per week, no longer than 1 hour a day and couldn't stand looking at the same zone anymore.

Who thought of this anyway? What's wrong with simply just not giving flying to anyone until a certain time has passed rather than make people hate your own game. This is beyond ridiculous.

Do you prefer flying be how it is in FF 14? You collect the same amount of *aether currents* in each zone *i think it's after the first expansion* plus do a few quests that reward an aether current. wala..you can fly. It's only gated with the current story. After you finish the story for that area..you can complete flying for it.

[PrairieChicken]

As someone who unsubbed for many years no-flying is a major factor in making me not give a f for coming back.

[baskev]

So you think that the time it takes to complete the Pathfinder(for the expansion, or just for each zone) is not enough by itself? That an additional buffer must be placed on top? If that's the case, why even have pathfinder at all? Just place an arbitrary date for when flight unlocks and be done without irritating players by forcing them through a laundry list of mostly empty chores.

Pathfinder 1? nope not enough time. you get that real fast.
Pathfinder 2? yes i agree it takes to long.

And empty chores...you mean leveling? Why not give everyone end game gear? or all titles and mounts? things need to be earned. And all my other reasons i stated before.
But i agree. Pathfinder 2 takes to long. pathfinder 1 is to short. Pathfinder 1 can be complete is the 0.0 version of a expansion. but pathfinder 2 mostly only happens after patch 2.0 or 2.5. And that is to long. I would say after patch 0,5 or 1.0

[Softbottom]

Pathfinder 1? nope not enough time. you get that real fast.
Pathfinder 2? yes i agree it takes to long.

And empty chores...you mean leveling? Why not give everyone end game gear? or all titles and mounts? things need to be earned. And all my other reasons i stated before.
But i agree. Pathfinder 2 takes to long. pathfinder 1 is to short. Pathfinder 1 can be complete is the 0.0 version of a expansion. but pathfinder 2 mostly only happens after patch 2.0 or 2.5. And that is to long. I would say after patch 0,5 or 1.0

To be fair "just leveling" does not give you enough rep for pathfinder. You are still required to do loads of WQ's.

PF2 is straight up retarded and shouldn't exist.

[brbshower]

To be fair "just leveling" does not give you enough rep for pathfinder. You are still required to do loads of WQ's.

PF2 is straight up retarded and shouldn't exist.

It's not like you're actually having to put in any extra effort. You'll obtain the needed rep level just by super casually playing the game from launch up until flight is allowed. You aren't being forced to log on and grind out rep for 10 hours per day.

[Softbottom]

It's not like you're actually having to put in any extra effort. You'll obtain the needed rep level just by super casually playing the game from launch up until flight is allowed. You aren't being forced to log on and grind out rep for 10 hours per day.

On a side note I love your Avatar lol.

[SirCowdog]

It's not like you're actually having to put in any extra effort. You'll obtain the needed rep level just by super casually playing the game from launch up until flight is allowed. You aren't being forced to log on and grind out rep for 10 hours per day.

While this is true, the bolded part is the point, I think. It's not about providing a satisfying unlock, or challenge, or reward. It's all about getting you to log in every day.

Which is crap. I don't need Blizzard to dictate my playing habits, and warping the gameplay and quality in order to manipulate players results in a worse overall game.

[Softbottom]

While this is true, the bolded part is the point, I think. It's not about providing a satisfying unlock, or challenge, or reward. It's all about getting you to log in every day.

Which is crap. I don't need Blizzard to dictate my playing habits, and warping the gameplay and quality in order to manipulate players results in a worse overall game.

Hit the nail on the head big guy.

[rrayy]

Wrath you could buy cold weather flying at 78 IIRC. If you didn't have proper flying you could get a loan mount in the Storm Peaks because you needed it for the zone. It was kinda slow though. Due to this some cheapskate people never bothered to buy flying for months. And had to be summoned to Naxx since they couldn't get there in person.

Cata never had "old weather flying", you could fly in the old world from level 60+. If you'd played previous expansions you could fly day 1 of Cata.

Wrong. You had to pay for a license to fly in Cata. It was for 250g. It was called "Flight Master's License". So, yes, you did have "old weather flying".

[Biggles Worth]

While this is true, the bolded part is the point, I think. It's not about providing a satisfying unlock, or challenge, or reward. It's all about getting you to log in every day.

Which is crap. I don't need Blizzard to dictate my playing habits, and warping the gameplay and quality in order to manipulate players results in a worse overall game.

Well that didn't work.

[LDancer]

While this is true, the bolded part is the point, I think. It's not about providing a satisfying unlock, or challenge, or reward. It's all about getting you to log in every day.

Which is crap. I don't need Blizzard to dictate my playing habits, and warping the gameplay and quality in order to manipulate players results in a worse overall game.

Then what are you doing complaining in a forum if you feel so manipulated and slighted by Blizzard... quit!

Am sick of the “I want it now daddy” spoilt brats complaining about not being given flying from day one. I’ve come to terms with and don’t care that we have to put in a little work for something we want in the game...

Friggen Millennials and their gimme gimme attitude. If you don’t like pathfinding bring the new norm then don’t play! Hello island kitty adventures awaits for you...

[SirCowdog]

Well that didn't work.

Didn't it? You have a great many people now parroting the line "Pathfinder feels like a reward". How many times have you heard someone say that without even really thinking about what goes into the actual unlock, or WHY it feels like a reward?

I think, at least in part, many people are confusing the feeling of a reward with the feeling of relief that they don't have to grind so much nonsense anymore, and are no longer bound by the intentionally irritating terrain that flying mitigates. That's not everyone, but it's pretty obvious what's going on if you spend the time to really step back and be critical and objective about the overall world design.

Players ARE being manipulated. If you think that companies like Blizzard, Activision, and EA aren't spending a LOT of time and money on how to do this, then you haven't looked into it at all.

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Then what are you doing complaining in a forum if you feel so manipulated and slighted by Blizzard... quit!

Am sick of the “I want it now daddy” spoilt brats complaining about not being given flying from day one. I’ve come to terms with and don’t care that we have to put in a little work for something we want in the game...

Friggen Millennials and their gimme gimme attitude. If you don’t like pathfinding bring the new norm then don’t play! Hello island kitty adventures awaits for you...

Low post count, otherwise you'd know my history on the subject. The idea that this is about "I want it now" entitlement is only vaguely insulting at this point. Do your homework before posting again about my intentions.

Oh, and the millennial comment is hilarious. First off it's a blatant, unfounded stereotype. Second, I'm 43.

[Biggles Worth]

Didn't it?

Myself and a handful of regulars that I game with tried BFA at launch for a couple of months then stopped playing. We came back for the 15 year anniversary event and got pathfinder within a couple of weeks. Our general consensus was Blizzards attempt at time gating everything especially pathfinder failed because non of us stuck around for it.

[Xorzor]

Flying shouldn't have ever been in game. That way, no issues later on...hopefully.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

It makes sense if you look at it like Blizzard does. They want people to experience the world before flying lets you skip it. They turn the first 3-5 reps of an expansion into "grind world quests in the zone" more or less so you experience the world. Then they gate it behind the first major patch or two just because.. which is where an argument could be made. So less that the how and why they do it, but why they gate it behind patches. If you are going to patch gate flying it might as well just be patch and you can buy and move on sort of thing as far as I am concerned.

[SirCowdog]

Myself and a handful of regulars that I game with tried BFA at launch for a couple of months then stopped playing. We came back for the 15 year anniversary event and got pathfinder within a couple of weeks. Our general consensus was Blizzards attempt at time gating everything especially pathfinder failed because non of us stuck around for it.

Ok...great. You've got some extremely small scale, anecdotal "evidence".

The thing you need to understand is that WoW works on the same principles as a casino: Everything has to be looked at on the large scale. MILLIONS of players. Sure, a few people are going to win every now and then. There's always going to be that story of someone getting ahead. But that's not what the vast majority of players are doing, or getting.

For every person who's being smart and working the system, and there's hundreds, if not thousands, that aren't.

[Biggles Worth]

Ok...great. You've got some extremely small scale, anecdotal "evidence".

The thing you need to understand is that WoW works on the same principles as a casino: Everything has to be looked at on the large scale. MILLIONS of players. Sure, a few people are going to win every now and then. There's always going to be that story of someone getting ahead. But that's not what the vast majority of players are doing, or getting.

For every person who's being smart and working the system, and there's hundreds, if not thousands, that aren't.

Just because they create a system that people have to do and people do it, doesn't mean that they liked doing it and felt rewarded when complete.

[Heladys]

Just because they create a system that people have to do and people do it, doesn't mean that they liked doing it and felt rewarded when complete.

I liked doing it (playing the game) and I felt rewarded (listening to people who hadn't played the game complain while I flew).

[Witchblade77]

Myself and a handful of regulars that I game with tried BFA at launch for a couple of months then stopped playing. We came back for the 15 year anniversary event and got pathfinder within a couple of weeks. Our general consensus was Blizzards attempt at time gating everything especially pathfinder failed because non of us stuck around for it.

same here, honestly. except, with shadowlands, personaly i won't even be buying it at launch, will wait for a sale closer to pathfinder part 2 instead.

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Ok...great. You've got some extremely small scale, anecdotal "evidence".

The thing you need to understand is that WoW works on the same principles as a casino: Everything has to be looked at on the large scale. MILLIONS of players. Sure, a few people are going to win every now and then. There's always going to be that story of someone getting ahead. But that's not what the vast majority of players are doing, or getting.

For every person who's being smart and working the system, and there's hundreds, if not thousands, that aren't.

I have to wonder. how many people DID to pathfinder part 1 early on. realized that they are not really having fun. and left until part 2 was introduced. even if it took them couple of months to get it down rather then couple of weeks... that still leaves a LOT of time in between part 1 and part 2