4th person in ICE custody dies in 2020 fiscal, which started last October

[Themius]

Immigration activists for telling everyone in Central America that coming here and claiming asylum is a free pass into the country.

Defensive Asylum claims (asylum claims made as a legal defense against deportation after illegally entering the country), have increased by over a 1000% in recent years.

Defensive Asylum Claims 2009: 12,176
Defensive Asylum Claims 2019: 147,489

The countries many (if not most at this point) of those people are coming from (El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.) have been experiencing a decline in violent crime and the like in that same time frame; Honduras in particular, their homicide rate was cut in half between 2011 and 2017... So its not a case of "those countries are worse now/getting worse so it makes sense asylum claims from them are up"... The opposite is true, they are getting better, in some cases much better.

Immigration court used to be a well oiled machine... You got caught, you got detained, you rapidly went before a judge, they were like "yep, you're here illegally, cya", and then you got deported. Now people get caught, claim asylum, and the courts have to sit on them during that whole process, which can take weeks or even longer. In times past the government used to release a lot of people pending their immigration court proceedings, but they are more and more hesitant to do that for most people these days because the rates of court no-shows (IE: undocumented immigrant is released on the promise they will show up to court, they don't, they just vanish into the country) has been increasing in recent years (its up to 44% are no-shows, as of 2019, when it used to be 10% or less that were no-shows years ago).

The fuck are you talking about?

Everyone warned that taking a harsh stance would send more people here due to fear of a closing window. Also we now have major drought and famine and crime which is also then exacerbated by the famine and drought

Also the administration started to detain people indefinitely instead of moving them along. Who is to blame for that?

Majority do show, those with case workers are almost a sure thing to show. But wait the administration keeps not filling vacancies so maybe it has something to do with that?

[Citizen T]

Migrating Famine is not economic migration. It is fleeing a natural disaster and starvation. Or do you think famines happen when food doesn't grow because money wasn't planted and watered enough?

Famine plus depressed economy and the rise of gangs, is what creates such a dangerous situation where you have people fleeing because the local gang is looking to kill them. Like that guy who was deported after seeking asylum from violence, and then was promptly killed upon his return. Or the woman that was raped and killed after fleeing for fear of being... killed but was sent back anyway to a death sentence.

Did they deserve to die Thwart? Was their asylum not good enough for you?

Very few people deserve to die (I believe in capital punishment) but the appropriate response is for their government to care for them by seeking aid from other countries if required. The US immigration system is FUBAR and that is the fault of both parties. Trying to handle "disaster relief" on an individual basis via immigration is a horribly inefficient method.

[MasterK]

The fuck are you talking about?

Everyone warned that taking a harsh stance would send more people here due to fear of a closing window. Also we now have major drought and famine and crime which is also then exacerbated by the famine and drought

Also the administration started to detain people indefinitely instead of moving them along. Who is to blame for that?

Majority do show, those with case workers are almost a sure thing to show. But wait the administration keeps not filling vacancies so maybe it has something to do with that?

Since when is the US responsible for every (natural) disaster in the world. How about ship loads of refugees from Cambodia because of all the flooding?

Where should they "move along" to? Who would pay for it? Where does all the money come from? We all know that the 0.1% will pay nothing...

[Themius]

Very few people deserve to die (I believe in capital punishment) but the appropriate response is for their government to care for them by seeking aid from other countries if required. The US immigration system is FUBAR and that is the fault of both parties. Trying to handle "disaster relief" on an individual basis via immigration is a horribly inefficient method.

Refugees are a thing Thwart.

Also the appropriate response is aid to the latin triangle to help those countries build. I mean it would cut down on the amount of people trying to come here. Also it is cheaper than having to deal with this level of migration. But who wanted to cut all that and stop it entirely, against just about all opinions on both sides?

[Citizen T]

I'd say that's not terribly different from the wave of Irish immigration following the potato famine. And they received a similarly cool reception upon their arrival.

And your'e right, they're not asylum seekers. They'd be refugees, which are similar but different - https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...sylum/refugees

The legal annual cap for settling refugees in the US is less than the average daily detainee count.

[Shadowferal]

Seeking asylum only to get turned away, which results in the person/s getting killed...sounds familiar
Sadly this seems to be the routine anymore, it's like we don't learn from past mistakes.

[Citizen T]

Refugees are a thing Thwart.

Also the appropriate response is aid to the latin triangle to help those countries build. I mean it would cut down on the amount of people trying to come here. Also it is cheaper than having to deal with this level of migration. But who wanted to cut all that and stop it entirely, against just about all opinions on both sides?

please see response to edge

[Edge-]

The legal annual cap for settling refugees in the US is less than the average daily detainee count.

Yep, and it's been lowered considerably. You're right that they're not asylum seekers, but they may have valid refugee claims stemming from a famine.

[Themius]

Since when is the US responsible for every (natural) disaster in the world. How about ship loads of refugees from Cambodia because of all the flooding?

Where should they "move along" to? Who would pay for it? Where does all the money come from? We all know that the 0.1% will pay nothing...

Every disaster in the world?

They're our neighbors.

They will come here, they will work, and ultimately boost our economy. As they always have.

Eventually when/if things get better they'll move back.

We are a vast country and 3rd largest, you're telling me a few tens to hundreds of thousands in a country of over 300 million is too much to handle?

[Draco-Onis]

The legal annual cap for settling refugees in the US is less than the average daily detainee count.

Almost as if a white nationalist administration kept lowering it.

[Themius]

Yep, and it's been lowered considerably. You're right that they're not asylum seekers, but they may have valid refugee claims stemming from a famine.

Though famine and crime is very very very much intertwined.

What often ends up happening are the people in famine end up either working with/ or in debt to local gangs just to survive. Then it gets to a point where if they don't flee they're just killed.

[Shadowferal]

I suppose it's good that the current admin hates the brown skin...otherwise;
Christian...check
Conservative...check

[starlord]

why or how the refugees came is irrelevant to the way they are treated in our care. that is solely on the US policies.

[Edge-]

Thought famine and crime is very very very much intertwined.

What often ends up happening are the people in famine end up either working with/ or in debt to local gangs just to survive. Then it gets to a point where if they don't flee they're just killed.

It is. But famine alone won't qualify for asylum status, only refugee status. However, if they can prove credible fear of persecution/harm stemming from famine-related issues (gang violence etc.) then they'd be potentially eligible. They just can't use the famine as a reason alone.

[Draco-Onis]

I suppose it's good that the current admin hates the brown skin...otherwise;
Christian...check
Conservative...check

The GOP has worked very hard to chase the Latino vote away they used to have half of them and were well on their way of dominating it like democrats with the black vote.

[draynay]

Man Thwart whiffed on an easy win with his bad statistic post. People in ICE custody aren't dying of overdoses or old age or car accidents like people outside, really he should have stuck to the obvious - terrible medical care is the norm in the US whether in custody or not.

[Santti]

This thread here alone is why ignoring a moderator is something we should have. Or, I think we'd all rather have little-to-no supervision, than whatever we can find from the cesspools.

Can you guess which person I'm referring to?
[Infraction]

[muto]

They could have just died from natural causes, and that’s not ICE’s fault. That’s genetics and lifestyle choices. Why don’t you mention all the ones ICE is keeping alive by giving them food, water, and shelter?

[Edge-]

Why don’t you mention all the ones ICE is keeping alive by giving them food, water, and shelter?

So because ICE isn't starving them to death, they deserve some kind of praise? Is this real life?

[Santti]

They could have just died from natural causes, and that’s not ICE’s fault. That’s genetics and lifestyle choices. Why don’t you mention all the ones ICE is keeping alive by giving them food, water, and shelter?

You cannot possibly be serious with such a question? Because that's vile and ignorant as fuck.