Required ilvl for Nyalotha normal

[evotech]

Our guild is looking to get back into raiding for 8.3 and are thinking of starting with normal. A lot of us have been out of the game for a while and are wondering what you recommend we should set as the minimum requirements to join the first Nyalotha normal raid?

Based on some initial research we are thinking of setting it as 435ilvl, 65 neck. Does that seem reasonable or are we missing something?

[Maell]

For normal there should not be any requirement. Just play the game and you'll get the gear requirements to clear it for the most part.

[talmar]

Well, Azshara's Eternal Palace Raid (8.2) dropped iLevels are 400/415/430/445. So setting a 435 ilvl requirement would mean you need gear at a higher ilevel than the previous raid's Heroic level gear.

Looking at Ny'alotha current info (which could change any second) looks like it will be 430/445/460/475 with the last two bosses having slightly higher ilevel.

435 would make things easier but I wouldn't set that as a minimum.

If you really want to set a minimum I would recommend 420, maybe 425. That's around the previous tier's Normal range taking into account some better gear from M+ or war/titanforging and benthic gear with upgrades.

[schwarzkopf]

For a PUG - iLvl 520 I expect.

[Dezminion]

For a PUG - iLvl 520 I expect.

And just to be sure, that the PuG will be a success it could be set to around 548

[Greyvax]

The guideline should be the minimum ilvl for new raid is the heroic ilvl from the previous raid.

Most folks wanted 400+ when EP launched, so 430+ should be minimum baseline for ny'alotha normal.

[Lora]

well considering that you get 430 LFR, 445 Normal, 460 Heroic, 475 Mythic for most bosses and 440 LFR, 455 Normal, 470 Heroic, 485 Mythic for the last two bosses, I would say that an item level of 600 would be the minimum.

[RobertMugabe]

Our guild is looking to get back into raiding for 8.3 and are thinking of starting with normal. A lot of us have been out of the game for a while and are wondering what you recommend we should set as the minimum requirements to join the first Nyalotha normal raid?

Based on some initial research we are thinking of setting it as 435ilvl, 65 neck. Does that seem reasonable or are we missing something?

Just by this post I can tell that your guild is garbage. Only tryhard and shitty casual guild require a certain ilvl for someone to join them and even worse: you guys are just doing normal mode.

And yeah of course 435 is a too high requirement for normal mode. That's what PUGs, where the RL is someone who wants to get carried, will require initially.

[Amaterasu65]

Start requiring minimum DPS rather than minimum ilvl. There are so many players who don't pull the weight of their gear, meanwhile players with weaker gear can play like beasts.

[Nevcairiel]

The guideline should be the minimum ilvl for new raid is the heroic ilvl from the previous raid.

Most folks wanted 400+ when EP launched, so 430+ should be minimum baseline for ny'alotha normal.

The guideline minimum for what? Pugs?

If you have a guild that only manages to raid normal, and barely any heroic, you would then be stuck?
Its usually perfectly acceptable to do normal with previous raids normal item level. Of course more helps. But shooting for a target even above previous heroic is just PUG-level logic.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

expect 445 for normal, 460 for heroic and 470 for mythic

[Mirishka]

And just to be sure, that the PuG will be a success it could be set to around 548

Amen. Last week I saw a Mechagon run - not hard mode either, just the standard mythic version - that said 'easy run 440+ only'.

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Start requiring minimum DPS rather than minimum ilvl. There are so many players who don't pull the weight of their gear, meanwhile players with weaker gear can play like beasts.

Problem with this is, anyone can say they pull high dps. "invite me 50k+ on bosses" only to pull like, 15k. ilevel on the other hand, you can't cheat to the same extent. Yeah you could equip higher ilevel gear from like, a different spec, but that's not as much wiggle room as simply whispering someone a number.

[ecospherez]

I would say just drop about 10-15 item levels off the gear ilvl of the raid difficulty you're doing.

for instance.

Player 430 - 445 Normal
Player 445 - 460 Heroic
Player 460 - 475 Mythic

[Amaterasu65]

Amen. Last week I saw a Mechagon run - not hard mode either, just the standard mythic version - that said 'easy run 440+ only'.

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Problem with this is, anyone can say they pull high dps. "invite me 50k+ on bosses" only to pull like, 15k. ilevel on the other hand, you can't cheat to the same extent. Yeah you could equip higher ilevel gear from like, a different spec, but that's not as much wiggle room as simply whispering someone a number.

Whenever I report DPS numbers I post my WCL. Sometimes I get ignored, other times it's appreciated.

[Jazzhands]

Pug requirements for normal Nyalotha will likely be something along the lines of "MASSIVE DICKS ONLY 2k+ RADIERIO CUTTING EDGE AZSHARA 500+ILVL AND NUDES OF YOUR MUM", and it'll proceed to collapse on the second or third boss when people have to do mechanics.

The actual requirement will likely be around 425 The gear that drops from normal is 430, so realistically 420 should be fine but 425 because pugs, need a little padding but no where near what people usually ask for, mostly because they're usually looking to get carried.

[Hellobolis]

W/e catch up gear they put in is usually more then enough to start normal. throw in some stuff from m+ and you should be fine.

if you really want to help your guild organize a few days of "help everybody get a +7/8/9/10" done so you get at least a heroic ilvl item in the weekly box.

[Mirishka]

Whenever I report DPS numbers I post my WCL. Sometimes I get ignored, other times it's appreciated.

Yeah, that's a good way to handle it.

Generally I go by ilevel/achievements when I PuG people into groups, but don't always get the dps I'd expect from someone with AOTC, 430+ gear, etc.

[Greyvax]

The guideline minimum for what? Pugs?

If you have a guild that only manages to raid normal, and barely any heroic, you would then be stuck?
Its usually perfectly acceptable to do normal with previous raids normal item level. Of course more helps. But shooting for a target even above previous heroic is just PUG-level logic.

Just because the number is equal to heroic doesn't mean its not achieveable by people who aren't farming heroic. People who do normal, will progress into heroic naturally and get gear from there. That, combined with Mythic+ weekly rewards, dungeon event caches, warfront rewards, and most recently the anniversary event... getting to 430+ is easy as pie.

[Frozenbro]

Problem with this is, anyone can say they pull high dps. "invite me 50k+ on bosses" only to pull like, 15k. ilevel on the other hand, you can't cheat to the same extent. Yeah you could equip higher ilevel gear from like, a different spec, but that's not as much wiggle room as simply whispering someone a number.

Thats wrong too, if you want to be picky you search for people's logs, ilvl at this point is as false as that phrase you mention thanks to titanforging, everyone running not deserved ilvl.

[Mirishka]

Thats wrong too, if you want to be picky you search for people's logs, ilvl at this point is as false as that phrase you mention thanks to titanforging, everyone running not deserved ilvl.

Personally I don't consider a normal raid worth the effort of checking logs and websites and all that, but to each their own.