Take out LFR, and bring... Dare I say it, 5 man raids. And 40.

[Dark Succ]

Disclaimer: This is, as you have noticed, a half-baked post, whose content is not likely to be made, and was posted by a non-raider, so don't take it too seriously.

So, this is probably not going to work, but it's an idea I had anyway. Admittedly, I am not familiar with raiding scene too much, and shouldn't be posting this. But here it goes. Afaik this is akin to what Ulduar system was, if not the same shit.

So, instead of this LFR/Normal/Heroic/Mythic bullshit, we get 5 man/10 man/25 man/40 man raiding. 5man drops shit loot, it's LFR tier easy, if not more, and directed at the casual players, who probably want to complete the raid quests that appear out in the world, or see what's in the raid. Think it as Blackrock Depths/Lower/Upper Spire, with "raiding bosses." 10 man is the normal, and drops slightly better loot in comparison to 5 man. 25 man is where shit gets real, with solid loot and 40 would be hard as fuck, with the best gear.

IDK what to make of Mythicc+ in this system, so I'd appericiate the help and any ideas that you might throw at me.

[Moggie]

40 man raids are dead and were extremely tedious to deal with back in Vanilla. Let them stay dead imo.

[kranur]

No. I'd rather have it the other way around. Difficult 5 mans. What would be the point in turning lfr in 5 mans? To require more tanks overall and wait longer for groups?

[deenman]

yeah I dont like the current system but,5 man and 40 man?lol no,lfr should exist in the form of a different raid,like karazhan or zul gurub for 10 or 15,than you have the main raid,normal with 25 or 30 max,and then the hardest version heroic with 20

[Ealyssa]

Garbage idea, nothankyou

[tikcol]

So 5 man "raids" are dungeons. What is this nonsense?

[Dark Succ]

Eh, I suppose that's fair nuff.

[Dilbon]

Raids should scale from 1 to 40 players.

[Ange]

Disclaimer: This is, as you have noticed, a half-baked post, whose content is not likely to be made, and was posted by a non-raider, so don't take it too seriously.

It allways baffles me that players like you want to change something they don't know, don't want to know and most likely will never get in touch with.

And stop with the LFR = easy, Mythic = hard nonsense.

LFR is made for the casual nonraiding community, its baseline difficulty is set for its target audience.
Mythic is made for the hardcore players, the requirements are allways changing to push this kind of players to their own time limit and above.

WoW is not one game on EASY-NORMAL-HARD, its an MMO with a wide spread content for everyone.

There is nothing easy or hard in this MMO, you waste your time with the difficulty of your choice. The timed gearresets, content resets and even max level resets make it clear that there is nothing to win in this game. Its just about how you want to spend your actual game time.

[Dark Succ]

It allways baffles me that players like you want to change something they don't know, don't want to know and most likely will never get in touch with.

Yeah, admittedly, this thread was a mistake on my part.

There is nothing easy or hard in this MMO, you waste your time with the difficulty of your choice. The timed gearresets, content resets and even max level resets make it clear that there is nothing to win in this game. Its just about how you want to spend your actual game time.

Well, that does put something into perspective... Shit, how much time did I sink into this game already?

[Linkedblade]

Disclaimer: This is, as you have noticed, a half-baked post, whose content is not likely to be made, and was posted by a non-raider, so don't take it too seriously.

So, this is probably not going to work, but it's an idea I had anyway. Admittedly, I am not familiar with raiding scene too much, and shouldn't be posting this. But here it goes. Afaik this is akin to what Ulduar system was, if not the same shit.

So, instead of this LFR/Normal/Heroic/Mythic bullshit, we get 5 man/10 man/25 man/40 man raiding. 5man drops shit loot, it's LFR tier easy, if not more, and directed at the casual players, who probably want to complete the raid quests that appear out in the world, or see what's in the raid. Think it as Blackrock Depths/Lower/Upper Spire, with "raiding bosses." 10 man is the normal, and drops slightly better loot in comparison to 5 man. 25 man is where shit gets real, with solid loot and 40 would be hard as fuck, with the best gear.

IDK what to make of Mythicc+ in this system, so I'd appericiate the help and any ideas that you might throw at me.

Just let the flex difficulty scale down to 5, or even one, persons.

[Popastique]

40 ppl raids. No, thank you

[Razion]

You mean mega-dungeons? You're talking about mega-dungeons.

[Kanegasi]

What you are suggesting is three separate things that have nothing to do with each other. Sure, they could add even more challenging 5-man content, but there will never be current content 40-man raids again.

As for removing LFR, that will never happen. It's the most popular 6+ group content in the game. I find it amusing people hate it, especially since I have yet to see a valid reason.

[Aeula]

More like bin LFR and bring solo raids.

At least then the personal responsibility would get people to actually learn the tactics.

[Kaver]

Disclaimer: This is, as you have noticed, a half-baked post, whose content is not likely to be made, and was posted by a non-raider, so don't take it too seriously.

So, this is probably not going to work, but it's an idea I had anyway. Admittedly, I am not familiar with raiding scene too much, and shouldn't be posting this. But here it goes. Afaik this is akin to what Ulduar system was, if not the same shit.

So, instead of this LFR/Normal/Heroic/Mythic bullshit, we get 5 man/10 man/25 man/40 man raiding. 5man drops shit loot, it's LFR tier easy, if not more, and directed at the casual players, who probably want to complete the raid quests that appear out in the world, or see what's in the raid. Think it as Blackrock Depths/Lower/Upper Spire, with "raiding bosses." 10 man is the normal, and drops slightly better loot in comparison to 5 man. 25 man is where shit gets real, with solid loot and 40 would be hard as fuck, with the best gear.

IDK what to make of Mythicc+ in this system, so I'd appericiate the help and any ideas that you might throw at me.

You fail to mention why you would like to see this system? Why should the hardest content (for example) be done with 40 people instead of 20 people?

(It's pretty obvious that you don't raid. Doing mythic level content with 40 people would be hell)

[MrLachyG]

LFR will never be removed, and the only way 40 man raiding will return is if they boost the current flex raid size limit from 30 to 40

[Atherions]

More like bin LFR and bring solo raids.

At least then the personal responsibility would get people to actually learn the tactics.

This, the worst part of LFR is all the other players, if i could do it alone i would probably be interested in it.

[Kumorii]

Don't like LFR don't do LFR... removing it does nothing.

[Mirishka]

Disclaimer: This is, as you have noticed, a half-baked post, whose content is not likely to be made, and was posted by a non-raider, so don't take it too seriously.

So, this is probably not going to work, but it's an idea I had anyway. Admittedly, I am not familiar with raiding scene too much, and shouldn't be posting this. But here it goes. Afaik this is akin to what Ulduar system was, if not the same shit.

So, instead of this LFR/Normal/Heroic/Mythic bullshit, we get 5 man/10 man/25 man/40 man raiding. 5man drops shit loot, it's LFR tier easy, if not more, and directed at the casual players, who probably want to complete the raid quests that appear out in the world, or see what's in the raid. Think it as Blackrock Depths/Lower/Upper Spire, with "raiding bosses." 10 man is the normal, and drops slightly better loot in comparison to 5 man. 25 man is where shit gets real, with solid loot and 40 would be hard as fuck, with the best gear.

IDK what to make of Mythicc+ in this system, so I'd appericiate the help and any ideas that you might throw at me.

No offense but no thanks. For one thing you can't say its 'akin to Ulduar' when you're tossing around bringing back 40-man raids, Ulduar was 3 years removed from that tedious hell.

And the idea that you would force a given difficulty on people based solely on the number of raids is just silly, and 5 man 'raids' would kill Mythic+ which is an extremely active/vital part of the current endgame. So that's another pass.

I don't mean this as rude toward you personally, but the last kind of person Blizz needs to listen to when designing endgame content, is someone who isn't even familiar with it (per your own words) in the first place.