Shadowlands is BFA 2.0? Reasons to be concerned...

[Enabrann]

Now I watched this Heelvsbabyface video on Shadowlands and I completely agree with it, and I am concerned about Shadowlands essentially becoming BFA 2.0

https://youtu.be/xftUfCXScCs?t=116


Couple of reasons...no NEW content was announced.

Same old, same old, World quests, Raids, Dungeons, following what BFA did which was just re-hash Legion and give it a different lick of paint...

And that went really well.


Apart from Torghast, which is just a solo Mythic plus dungeon, or "Covenants" which come across as just Order halls...you do the story missions, get a set of armor, and then forget they exist until the next expansion.

Shadowlands is not looking good.

The Sylvanas dumpster-fire is there...that is reason for alarm...the same bad story telling and ruining Iconic characters will continue.

She literally took on the Lich King and his army and made them look like nothing more than Dungeon trash packs that you dispose of by the dozen.

Honestly they should have made this the N'zoth expansion, because he is such an important villain, but is going to be nothing more than a Loot pinata, in an end of expansion patch, 8.3, which looks like a Re-hash patch at best.

At worst Blizzard saw 8.2 did nothing to fix the game, and just wanna get 8.3 done and out of the way.

What a way for an Old God to die...Boss #2783 Loot pinata in nobody cares patch 8.3.


Now, Blizzard could add Player housing to wow, re-work professions and make new ones such as construction and carpentry.

There has still not been a profession where you can make Bows or Staves...carpentry would be perfect.


Add new types of content...Alterac Valley style battlegrounds...where you spend Hours gathering resources, summoning bosses, and so on...not the 7 minute zerg-fest PVE game that is AV of today, and not the miniscule non-BG that is Ashran.

Wpvp...make it relevant.

Let players summon catapults that they can use to invade enemy cities...

It's called the World of WARcraft, and yet Horde and Alliance fighting each other in Wpvp is actively neglected and even discouraged.

Have a Treasure-hunting caves, jumping obstacles, solving puzzles, etc.


These ideas aren't new...literally every other MMORPG does some of these things to a certain degree...Blizzard has to stop re-inventing all these ideas, but actually use them.

Overall...unless something major is announced (and it won't be), Shadowlands comes across as another BFA...copy, paste, and repeat.

[Directionalk9]

Impossible... BFA was Legion 2.0...Shadowlands by rights has to be Legion 3.0.

[Stormspellz]

have zero confidence the wow devs will fix the boring game play of the classes or the other issues that plague wow.

I really hope New World annihilates wow

[Mozu]

I really hope New World annihilates wow

Spoiler: It won't

[Stormspellz]

Spoiler: It won't

one can hope, in truth I hope that it proves to western developers/investors that they don't need to a wow clone to have a financial Juggernaut mmo, and lets be honest a lot of wow (and blizzs as a whole) stagnation is due it not having any real competitors to deal with

[Relapses]

Let's see:

☒ SL doesn't have AP
☒ SL is completely redesigning leveling to be easier on alts
☒ SL is not carrying over Azerite
☒ SL has a focus on class design, one of BfA's biggest weak spots
☑ Thread is by the same winner who brought us this masterpiece

Conclusion: Move along folks.

[Sithalos]

I watched this Heelvsbabyface video

Stopped reading there.

☑ Thread is by the same winner who brought us this masterpiece

Lol

I expect nothing less from someone who's subbed to one of WoW's worst "content creators".

[kaminaris]

Ok OP post is a bunch of nonsense BUT he is right about few things:

1. redesigning leveling is not a content - it is a positive aspect that should have been done long time ago so new players can actually survive leveling
2. Actual content they have showed is really slim. And the only (hopefully) meaningful content is torghast.
3. Covenants are rep grinds
4. Trying to fixing up Legion class design failures is not a content as well.
5. Covenants are going to pigeonhole people, I bet a crate of whiskey that people will be pissed about it

Let's see:

☒ SL doesn't have AP

It DOES! It is just on ?weekly? cap and now its called Anima power = AP.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=295991/...ma#anima-power

☒ SL is completely redesigning leveling to be easier on alts

Not a content for existing players. And not really a "content" since the fun starts at max level. Not to mention you will still be doing exact same quests as before with the exception you will level in one, chosen expansion to not hop all over the world.

☒ SL is not carrying over Azerite

Which is a minus if you mean azerite gear or should I call it properly "configurable-sets-available-not-only-from-raids".

☒ SL has a focus on class design, one of BfA's biggest weak spots

That weak spot is actually Legion but whatever. Aside from adding couple of old abilities that are minuscule, I don't see any focus on class design.

Oh and I should mention, that dude from video is out of his mind, not worth watchin any of his videos.

[Seranthor]

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I am still waiting for this to come true.

I am going to make this prediction now...

Classic will have 10 Millioon subscribers...on day 1.

[Sithalos]

Actual content they have showed is really slim. And the only (hopefully) meaningful content is torghast.

I mean, that's already a step up from BfA, which doesn't have meaningful content at all outside the standard (Raiding, M+, PvP).

Covenants are rep grinds

I'd love to see your source for this.

Even from the bare minimum that we've seen of the system, I'd say that trying to compare Covenants to Voldunai is a bit unfair.

[Relapses]

It DOES! It is just on ?weekly? cap and now its called Anima power = AP.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=295991/...ma#anima-power

Mate, it really hurts your argument when your own link contradicts what you're implying:

Wowhead: So you don't like people farming islands for 80 hours a week?

There's no infinitely grindable system in Shadowlands. We want there to be tons of different things you can do. You can do what you want to do for anima.

[kaminaris]

Mate, it really hurts your argument when your own link contradicts what you're implying:

Wowhead: So you don't like people farming islands for 80 hours a week?

There's no infinitely grindable system in Shadowlands. We want there to be tons of different things you can do. You can do what you want to do for anima.

No it doesn't. LOL. I am simply not stupid enough to fall for that.

Lets see:
1. Does anima power increases your power? YES

during the course of your adventures in the Shadowlands, be gathering anima from various sources and you can put it towards a bunch of different ends. and one of those is powering up your soulbind

2. Does anima power is essentially necessary to raise your character power? YES

you can pick someone you want to soulbind with, and kind of trade knowledge. and so your soulbind is going to provide certain powers.

So how is it different than previous AP?
1. It has a weekly (presumably) cap
2. It can be spent not only on powering up.

Aside from that it is a character progression grind, very similar to old iterations.

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I mean, that's already a step up from BfA, which doesn't have meaningful content at all outside the standard (Raiding, M+, PvP).

Going with that logic Legion had exact same amount of "meaningful" content. But no. BfA has warfronts and island expeditions.
Even tho I hate warfronts I can understand why some people may like them. Because I consider islands pretty meaningful content (a content that I am doing willfully not only because I have to).

My main problem is that blizzard just makes everything "expansion feature" so nothing really lasts.

[Sithalos]

I consider islands pretty meaningful content

Oh...

Well, look at the time! I'd best be heading off. You guys enjoy your bait thread.

[aceperson]

my take is wod was horrible and then they made legion. i gave them a chance going into legion and wasn't disappointed. hopefully it works out this time but if it doesn't, i'll just unsub and wait for a good game then. i'm not going to overhype myself for no reason but i'm also not going to be pointlessly cynical about everything when we haven't even seen a potential version of the final product.

[Super Kami Dende]

Imagine listening to HeelvsBabyface and actually agreeing with that tantrum-throwing manchild.

[deenman]

have zero confidence the wow devs will fix the boring game play of the classes or the other issues that plague wow.

I really hope New World annihilates wow

new world literaly has zero chances to ''annihilate'' wow,new world is very niche,its a sandbox,and its a very different setting

[Relapses]

No it doesn't. LOL. I am simply not stupid enough to fall for that.

Lets see:
1. Does anima power increases your power? YES

2. Does anima power is essentially necessary to raise your character power? YES


So how is it different than previous AP?
1. It has a weekly (presumably) cap
2. It can be spent not only on powering up.

Aside from that it is a character progression grind, very similar to old iterations.

The main criticism of AP is that it was infinitely grindable, making shit like Island farming compulsory for certain portions of the playerbase. Anima is finite which -- while you're correct that it associates to player power -- eliminates the biggest drawback players had with with AP.

[Kyphael]

If Shadowlands ends up being half as good as BfA, I'll be pleasantly surprised, because right now it's looking more like WoD 2.0.

No new race or class? Check.
Customize options (OG races re-done) are what the art team is "primarily busy with." Check.
Premise with potential with some serious possibility of horrible execution? Check.

[deenman]

my take is wod was horrible and then they made legion. i gave them a chance going into legion and wasn't disappointed. hopefully it works out this time but if it doesn't, i'll just unsub and wait for a good game then. i'm not going to overhype myself for no reason but i'm also not going to be pointlessly cynical about everything when we haven't even seen a potential version of the final product.

how was wod horrible?the leveling was great,the way the story was presented was a huge step up,and the raids were awsome,wod's issue was the lack of content,but what we got was great(yes even the selfie cam,to bad it didnt also come with an actual content patch lol)

[Muajin76]

If Shadowlands ends up being half as good as BfA, I'll be pleasantly surprised, because right now it's looking more like WoD 2.0.

No new race or class? Check.
Customize options (OG races re-done) are what the art team is "primarily busy with." Check.
Premise with potential with some serious possibility of horrible execution? Check.

Some would argue that wod was better than bfa. At least the gear in wod looked nice. bfa gear looks meh at best.