Poll: If the universe was infinite then would Azeroth exist?

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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Things exist in the Warcraft universe that cannot exist in the real universe. Perhaps in another universe in the multiverse where different physical laws and constants can occur.

    But no not our universe.
    Pretty much this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    the amount of people in this thread who don't understand that "infinite options =/= all options" is astonishing
    Was going to say the same thing. Infinite possibilities doesn't translate to all possibilities occuring, and as far as we know possibilities are finite anyway.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by visualdave View Post
    If the universe was infinite then would Azeroth exist? Vote in the poll!
    azeroth as a landscape might exist but if it follows our known laws of physics, it wouldn't be the wow azeroth. so no elementals, no magic, etc.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    You literally don't understand what infinite means. It means never ending. It's actually impossible for humans to grasp the sheer scale of infinite, because it cannot BE scaled.
    Sure you can. Otherwise we couldn't even use the concept and would have been unable to come up with it. Don't mistake your own inability to understand something for a general impossibility of doing so.

    Infinite is just such a mind-fucking concept that it transcends what scientists call the 'observable' universe by.... well, infinite :P
    No, it's pretty well-understood. It has some odd side-effects, but it's not much of a mind-fuck once you understand them, and it only transcends the universe in the sense of being unrelated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    You literally don't understand what infinite means. It means never ending. It's actually impossible for humans to grasp the sheer scale of infinite, because it cannot BE scaled.
    I know that infinite possible variety is not the same as infinite variety.

    If our universe is infinite in scale, then there may well be endless worlds, all within the degree of variety we see in our own solar system. An infinite, unending number of such worlds.

    There will never be a world that's made entirely of pure peanut butter, or one composed of mammal teeth, or one that's just a giant disembodied dong.

    That's not how infinite works.

  6. #126
    My internet earned PHD tells me it's possible but unlikely.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    There will never be a world that's made entirely of pure peanut butter, or one composed of mammal teeth, or one that's just a giant .
    Actually - all of those could exist, although only temporarily because all are possible arrangements of atoms in our universe.

    Read up on Boltzmann brains

    Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
    You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
    Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
    Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.


  8. #128
    The idea is "if there are infinite universes there are infinite possibilities" not "if the universe is infinite, maybe some world is able to break the laws of physics oh wait this is dumb I'm going to make a sandwhich."

  9. #129
    There'd be worlds where most, if not all, of the races we see in the game exists, as long as they evolve naturally, but there wouldn't be anything magical like the lich king or burning legion, so most of the actual story could never happen.

  10. #130
    Ive always wonder the same thing except for the Transformers (generation 1 please)
    I'm sure Cybertron exist with a power truck Optimus and the matrix of leadership.
    So I'm sure Warcraft Azeroth must exist somewhere or at one point in 15 billions years

    And don't even try too burst my bubble
    Last edited by Phuongvi; 2020-01-06 at 02:34 PM.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Infinitely small in the scope of infinite makes no sense and you know it. Something can't be 'infinitely small' when the chances are infinite, aka, literally limitless. Limitless chances to roll a die on an infinitely small number result in a guaranteed chance that you'll roll that number an infinite number of times, since the rolls of the die never ever stop happening.
    No, infinite does not mean "literally limitless". There are different infinities. Some are bigger than others. This is basic maths. Okay, slightly advanced maths, but it's high school level. The 1-2 example illustrates it perfectly. You have an infinite amount of real numbers between 1 and 2. You also have an infinite amount of rational numbers between 1 and 2. But since not all real numbers can be expressed in rations (such as π), the rational infinity is smaller than real infinity. Two different infinities, but one is bigger. One is contained within the other, but that means there are numbers that are outside an infinite scope.

    Infinite does NOT mean "literally limitless". This is basic.

    Now, we do not know the exact limits of laws of physics within the actual multiverse. But just because the universe is infinite, does not mean any given fictional universe will *eventually* pop up. Because likely its laws will fall outside the infinity our multiverse contains.

  12. #132
    Message to everyone that is mentioning physics: It doesn't matter what we know about physics. That is only our interpretation of observable phenomena. At any time, something new could be discovered that completely changes our perception of reality. That means it is theoretically possible that a world exists where the people have developed the ability to manipulate the physical world in a way similar to Warcraft. The chance is infinitesimally small, but if the universe is truly infinite, it is possible.

    A scientist never assumes something to be true or false before it's tested.

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaetha View Post
    Message to everyone that is mentioning physics: It doesn't matter what we know about physics. That is only our interpretation of observable phenomena. At any time, something new could be discovered that completely changes our perception of reality. That means it is theoretically possible that a world exists where the people have developed the ability to manipulate the physical world in a way similar to Warcraft. The chance is infinitesimally small, but if the universe is truly infinite, it is possible.

    A scientist never assumes something to be true or false before it's tested.
    You're skipping the part where nothing within the framework of known physics supplies any evidence at all for the existence of anything even vaguely related to the fictional world in WoW.

    By all means, pretend there's a non-zero probability of Azeroth existing under a theoretical multiverse. That's just as much your right as it is to believe in invisible sky unicorns. It doesn't make you right, nor does it make you worth listening to.

    A scientist generally doesn't conjure up a hypothesis with zero evidence to support it, you don't need tests to tell you magical planet-sized Titans don't exist.

  14. #134
    imagine believing you know the truth of this
    hit & run posting lol

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by namecraft View Post
    imagine believing you know the truth of this
    Imagine having enough of a grasp on basic physics that you have the self assurance to engage your brain and take a sensible educated guess regarding the ridiculous notion of a fictional, magical world actually occuring in reality.

  16. #136
    Azeroth exists, Sargeras looked at Earth and said no thanks. He thought that the murlock planet was a better plan.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Actually - all of those could exist, although only temporarily because all are possible arrangements of atoms in our universe.

    Read up on Boltzmann brains
    They're unlikely to be stable enough to form into planets. And they'd likely change into a different state if they did anyway, purely from the forces of gravity.

  18. #138
    That's not how universes work. Assuming there are multiple universes, the number of possible configurations is finite.
    Now, assuming that the universe in which we are is infinite, it will mostly be the same thing all over.
    All universes will obey the same laws, but will be different as per configuration of each.

  19. #139
    Azeroth does not exist. This includes your Elf Waifu. Go outside and thank me later.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    They're unlikely to be stable enough to form into planets.
    Correction - they wouldn't be stable to remain planets (thus the temporarily) ...

    Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
    You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
    Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
    Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.


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