- Christopher HitchensPopulists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
One of the articles is dated August 28:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/8/2...nt-misdemeanor
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Overeem knocked out Lesnar, Dos Santos, Hunt, Orlovsky, Belfort by the decision of the judges.
There are only those "badass guys" who are already legends of striking technique in MMA in fact.
These guys have already left a legacy.
BROCK LESNAR on ONE?
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
He shouldn't even be on this list. Neither should Ronda.
Seriously though, I'd say;
1. Mirko Filipovic
2. Jon Jones
3. Anderson Silva
3. Jose Aldo
4. Bas Rutten
5. Conor McGregor
6. Mauricio Rua/Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
7. Vitor Belfort/Fedor Emelianenko
8. Chuck Lidell
9. Lyoto Machida/Israel Adesanya
10. Wanderlei Silva
Something in that order.
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success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
I guess I just didn’t understand your top, because I built my top regardless of the weight category. Your top reflects the skill of the fighting technique of the fighter, but not its strength in all MMA among all the fighters. And MacGregor should be higher than Aldo, I won’t even become explain why.
success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
Because I called that assumption stupid and used the word "fuck"? There's no aggression here bud, don't worry.
Dangerous strikers aren't defined by their weight, but by their striking skills. Fighting skill is defined pound-for-pound, which means that Demetrious Johnson would probably be mauled by Mark Hunt, even though he's a much better fighter.
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success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
Actually the most dangerous is prolly Rousimar Palhares for really trying to damage people by holding hooks and submission for too long.
Okay, it seems you're just not there yet, cognitively.
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Title explicitly states strikers though. But considering OP's reply history, it's quite a challenge to comprehend what's actually going on in his mind; it seems he doesn't even know.
success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
Quite excellent assessment, though we have to admit a few things: Most fighters professional athletes - if not all - are juiced to the gills. Overeem was the 'horse meat' poster-boy though and at one point he was ranked 1 on the pound-for-pound best MMA fighter list. I've rolled with him once or twice, the guy wasn't 'B level' in his prime, man; he was as legit as they come. Now? Ai, ai, ai.
Anthony Johnson isn't even worth mentioning, I agree and the only fighter that has the chance to reach Fedor's level of epicness is Khabib.
The chute boxe guys were impressive strikers indeed. I also liked Minotauro's striking skills; he was no joke. Paired with his legitimate jiu jitsu black belt he was a veritable monster.
success comes in the form of technical solutions to problems, not appeals to our emotional side
You're really picking points that only support your argument while purposefully pushing aside all the information that counters your argument. Your first point is 100% wrong when you dont "forget" that Ngannou beat Curtis Blaydes twice.
BTW it's "Rumble" not "Ramble". And I'm not gonna correct every other name you wrote incorrectly cuz I wanna keep this post short.
I don't know why you bring up Rozenstruik, a guy who needed a miracle to get through Overeem who was literally teaching him how to fight for 24 minutes and 55 seconds, after Ngannou used him as a highlight reel victim.
Literally everybody at that weight has an overhand that can finish their opponent, that's nothing special, nothing that makes any of them scarier. What's really dangerous is facing a guy who can pop shots from seemingly ineffective angles and still shut your lights out, like Ngannou did several times. He's always dangerous. Rumble is not always dangerous in the same manner, he has his explosive moments but he requires more "setup" to really land his good shots since he has less reach and power than Ngannou.
Speaking of power, you know Ngannou holds the world record for highest power punch recorded? I mean if that doesn't count, what does?
This is not a pound for pound list or best fighters list. It's only about the level of risk in striking alone when facing these guys. I don't really see how someone with a shorter reach, less power and precision and requiring more setup to land strikes can be more dangerous than a guy who can shut your lights out from a weird angle punch coming out of nowhere that you can't see coming.
EDIT: I just realized you're the thread starter. What's the point of the list? Most dangerous striker in MMA or a pound for pound list of achievements that only ranks primarily strikers? Like I thought it was ranking the level of danger when facing these strikers, like how likely you are to get floored. But from the points you bring up it seems like it's something entirely different cuz you bring up old unrelated fights instead of talking about their actual technique alone which is the only thing that should matter.
I assume we're not taking time into account, otherwise most of that list would make no sense, yet you compare some fighters vs competition of a different age and how beating someone "out of their prime" means nothing.
I mean if they all fought today, do you believe Fedor could even SURVIVE? On the other hand, if you take them all in their prime, Fedor could probably 1v2 some of these clowns. If we're talking about prime alone then you have to COMPLETELY IGNORE things like "Ngannou beat X out of his prime", you have to compared Ngannou's prime skills against someone else's prime skills and nothing else. Need to apply a standard of comparison across the board.
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You're 100% correct.
Yeah, I stopped trying to talk with this guy once I noticed he was only giving the most extreme details to support why his list is better than anyone else.
Ignoring who won fights, and just trying to use fighters based on their punching power alone. I mean, almost every heavyweight if someone lets them punch them, is going to be devastating. Too much size/power. It's the fighters that can strike, without being struck back that are the "best strikers", or "most dangerous". Because its a fight, not a contest where you just take turns hitting each other in the face.