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Are people really that out of touch with reality? Do they lurk in Echo chambers? Terribly missinformed? Mental disease?
May 2019 - Iran attacks oil tankers in the gulf. Trump does nothing.
June 2019 - Iran Shoots down US drown. Trump does nothing.
July 2019 - Iran seizes British oil tanker. Trump does nothing.
September 2019 - Iran attacks Saudi state run oil co. Trump does nothing.
December 2019 - Iran attacks US military bases in Iraq. Trump does nothing.
December 2019 - Iran storms the US embassy in Baghdad. Trump does nothing.
January 2020 - The US retaliates and kills a terrorist general that EVEN the IRANIANS want dead
Literally every single media outlet: "Omg trump started this!!! He proves again that he is a clown!"
Even germany said the Iranians were behind the oil tank attacks
What the actual fuck is going on in peoples heads?? HOW DID TRUMP AND THE US START THIS?? Like how far are people willing to go to shit on Trump? Yeah I get it he's not the best but come on, you're literally supporting an evil regime that kills their own people and supress basic human rights. Move to Iran if the west is that fucking bad. You don't deserve to stand among us.
And dont give me the "Oh the US should never have been in the middle east to begin with". Do you have a short attention span? Not that long ago the US left the turks alone and STILL its somehow the US' fault because they are "Abandoning allies". See? They literally cannot win no matter what they do. Absolute sheep and zero introspection within themselves. I am ashamed.
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2020-01-08, 03:55 PM #1Pandaren Monk
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How can people say the US started the conflict with Iran??
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2020-01-08, 03:57 PM #2The Lightbringer
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The conflict? Well, google "Shah" and see why the US (together with the brits) started the conflict.
Originally Posted by Indres
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2020-01-08, 03:59 PM #3Immortal
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History did not begin in May 2019
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2020-01-08, 04:02 PM #4Pandaren Monk
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That's like 40 years ago under different leadership and different circumstances, thats the same as saying germany shouldn't be able to have a military because they started two world wars Originally Posted by Pannonian
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2020-01-08, 04:07 PM #5Immortal
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Apples and oranges. Originally Posted by Indres
You’re arguing from an extremely ignorant perspective.
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2020-01-08, 04:24 PM #6Elemental Lord
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At best your misinformed, at worst you're outright trying to deceive people. Originally Posted by Indres
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2020-01-08, 04:48 PM #7Warchief
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If you are going back in time, didn't the US assassinate the leader of Iran in the 70s, and replace him with a brutal pro-US dictator who destroyed the country and tortured/murdered countless innocent civilians?
They might still be kinda buttrustled about that.
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2020-01-08, 04:51 PM #8The Lightbringer
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So only you are allowed to set arbitrary starting points? Originally Posted by Indres
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50s and they didn't kill him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat Originally Posted by Martymark
But yeah, that's the reason for the revolution and the starting point of "death to america" i wonder why... just that they ousted a democratic elected government and installed an autocratic despot? Some people are just so ungrateful.
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2020-01-08, 04:53 PM #9The Unstoppable Force
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Fourty years is still very recent, not to mention the german military is still bound by treaties, it is not allowed to be bigger than 370k Originally Posted by Indres
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2020-01-08, 04:54 PM #10Banned
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Because some people don't like facts. Funny how they didn't give a shit when drone strikes happened under Obama. Originally Posted by Indres
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2020-01-08, 04:58 PM #11Immortal
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Zenkai, the second post in this thread quickly adresses the point on why the US (with the brits) started this shit. Originally Posted by zenkai
You chose to ignore that.Last edited by Thepersona; 2020-01-08 at 05:00 PM.
Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker
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2020-01-08, 05:01 PM #12Immortal
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What facts do people not like? And people gave a shit about drone strikes. Originally Posted by zenkai
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2020-01-08, 05:05 PM #13Banned
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You can "win" by staying out of everyone else's fucking business you revolting little imperialist gobshite. Originally Posted by Indres
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2020-01-08, 05:07 PM #14Mechagnome
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Here ya go, it simply takes going back before the events that fit your narrative.
May 8, 2018 President Trump announces the withdrawal from the Iran deal. Iran, France, Britain and Germany say they will stay in the pact.
August-November 2018 The United States reimposes economic sanctions targeting Iran's energy, financial, shipping and shipbuilding industries.
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2020-01-08, 05:08 PM #15The Lightbringer
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That's sooooo cute! Originally Posted by zenkai
Just because i think the US (70 years ago btw. - so all the people responsible are dead by now) started this whole conflict, it doesn't mean i side with Iran. Far from that. I'd rather see their current regime removed yesterday than today. And hell yeah, i rather live on a world dominated by the US than Russia or China.
Still, that doesn't mean i justify everything the US does. Regime change has to be done careful, and the US track record isn't that great in the middle east. And war mongers frothing from their mouth "You're either with us or against us!" don't really change my mind about the careful and responsible regime change which would be the only way forward. Rather seems US Shitshow #5 in ME.
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2020-01-08, 05:14 PM #16The Unstoppable Force
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Not sure if you’re genuinely that ignorant to not know that Germany and Japan do have limitations on the scope of their military capability because of WW2, or whether the irony is real. Originally Posted by Indres
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2020-01-08, 05:19 PM #17Moderator
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The history of US/Iran relations starts well before 2019. Not sure why you decided to "start" in 2019, because that's ignoring 99% of the historical relationship between the two countries, including our failed attempts at regime change.
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Obama drone striked a high ranking government official at a civilian airport? Originally Posted by zenkai
And nobody gave a shit?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trikes/511454/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...f12_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...lasting-legacy
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/23...icy-gets-an-f/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...eillance-trump
You're right. Some people appear not to like facts.
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2020-01-08, 05:20 PM #18Immortal
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Oh I know, hoping he'll somehow reveal how it was not the US/UK behind the coup in 1953. Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide
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2020-01-08, 05:35 PM #19Stood in the Fire
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Who was it that unilaterally backed out of a deal that limited Irans capability to produce nuclear weapons and then placed harsh sanctions while they were complying with the terms of the deal?
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2020-01-08, 05:44 PM #20Elemental Lord
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Sure, Americans, with their short attention span, may easily forget what we did to Mosaddegh but I would be surprised if the people who were ROYALLY fucked over in the process would forget it so soon.
I know a few Iranian ex-patriots. I've talked with them. Do you know any? Have you talked with them? It's an interesting conversation.
"Oh that was decades ago" - wtf ever.
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