What Jobs are you seen as uncool?

[kail]

Telemarketers and those street sign dancers. I have some sympathy for those who can't easily get another job but I would rather go live with my parents than do any of those.

[Cockus Maximus]

Beggars. As a former homeless person, I can't comprehend why anyone in that situation would waste their precious time begging instead of trying to get their life together. Aside from that, any job that brings some sort of value to society is fine by me. People need to understand that in order to EARN money, one needs to do something VALUABLE.

The ancient Romans already had it right; actors were the scum of society, at the bottom of social hierarchy, below eg. prostitutes.

Also, I agree with Puupi. Actors bring value, but it tends to be the playwrights that bring the real value (if their works contain any intellectual/spiritual/etc. value that is). However, the amount of value actors bring to society is roughly the same as the value of prostitutes so they should really be treated the same in my book rather than idealized or even worshiped as they are today.

[Elegiac]

Aside from that, I agree with Puupi. Actors bring value, but it tends to be the playwrights that bring the real value (if their works contain any intellectual/spiritual/etc. value that is). However, the amount of value actors bring to society is roughly the same as the value of prostitutes so they should really be treated the same in my book rather than idealized or even worshiped as they are today.

How about we don't treat sex workers like shit, instead?

[Cockus Maximus]

How about we don't treat sex workers like shit, instead?

Fair enough, perhaps sex workers are indeed treated too harshly today and throughout history. What I'm saying is closer to "actors shouldn't be idealized" than "both actors and sex workers should be treated like shit". Both jobs bring some value to society so both are better than begging. That being said, it doesn't take a lot to be a sex worker. Even acting requires more education. So while I agree that neither profession should be treated like shit per say, I still think they should both be regarded at the lower end of society.. something akin to a garbage collector.

[Elegiac]

Fair enough, perhaps sex workers are indeed treated too harshly today and throughout history. What I'm saying is closer to "actors shouldn't be idealized" than "both actors and sex workers should be treated like shit". Both jobs bring some value to society so both are better than begging. That being said, it doesn't take a lot to be a sex worker. Even acting requires more education. So while I agree that neither profession should be treated like shit per say, I still think they should both be regarded at the lower end of society.. something akin to a garbage collector.

Again, how about we understand that professions exist because there is a social demand for them and don't embrace a pseudo-caste system because you think you are better than the people that empty your bins?

Also, doesn't take a lot to be a sex worker? Being a sex worker is functionally the equivalent of any freelance or gig job in terms of self-employment. And being self-employed is by no means 'easy'. But hey, because it's primarily a female profession engaging in an activity you find distasteful it must mean it's objectively a 'lower ranked' profession, right?

Y'all are talking a lot of shit about garbage collectors for people that like to call cities in developing countries 'dumps'.

[Dug]

Any sort of job where your entire job is just moving money around and screwing over people to make a buck. So bankers, wallstreet types etc.

[TJ]

"Bin man?"
oh trash collector...or "sanitation engineer."

That job pays well in the US.

Also known as bin man.

[Cockus Maximus]

Again, how about we understand that professions exist because there is a social demand for them and don't embrace a pseudo-caste system because you think you are better than the people that empty your bins?

Also, doesn't take a lot to be a sex worker? Being a sex worker is functionally the equivalent of any freelance or gig job in terms of self-employment. And being self-employed is by no means 'easy'. But hey, because it's primarily a female profession engaging in an activity you find distasteful it must mean it's objectively a 'lower ranked' profession, right?

Y'all are talking a lot of shit about garbage collectors for people that like to call cities in developing countries 'dumps'.

It's about compensating professions according to the value they bring to society.

For example:

A neurosurgeon or your stereotypical "rocket scientist" would have to go through intensive training before they are proficient enough at what they do to perform their job at a satisfactory level.

Meanwhile, a garbage collector or a prostitute can wake up one day and think to themselves "I want to be a garbage collector or a prostitute" and become one that same day or that same week if they are lazy.

Since it takes a lot more to become one of the first 2 professions than it does to become one of the 2nd pair, I believe that the first 2 professions should come with more compensation and prestige than the ones in the 2nd example.

Same goes for actors. Yes it takes a lot more education to become an actor than it does to become a "waste disposal engineer" or w/e you'd like to call it, but at the end of the day the supply for actors is a lot greater than the demand and most of those who "make it" are determined more by their connections or their willingness to do "anything" for it, than by their talent or education. I can tell you for a fact that there are a LOT more talented actors out there than there are people actually making money from that profession.

Again, I'm not suggesting that any profession should be treated like shit. In fact, I personally believe that being in the upper rungs of society is no excuse to look down on anyone. But that has nothing to do with the fact that some professions bring more value and require more commitment than others and I'm simply advocating for those professions to be compensated and respected accordingly.

[Milchshake]

I'm starting to see IT guy as a less cool job. It just seems to attract uncool people.
They're basically email and network janitors. When we do need a significant upgrade or expansion, we call in outside vendors anyways.
Our guy spends too much time trying to convince people his job is hardcore computer science. Or that he is going to retire early ... soon as he cashes in all his bitcoins.

[Elegiac]

It's about compensating professions according to the value they bring to society.

You do not get to make that decision.

For example:

A neurosurgeon or your stereotypical "rocket scientist" would have to go through intensive training before they are proficient enough at what they do to perform their job at a satisfactory level.

Meanwhile, a garbage collector or a prostitute can wake up one day and think to themselves "I want to be a garbage collector or a prostitute" and become one that same day or that same week if they are lazy.

Since it takes a lot more to become one of the first 2 professions than it does to become one of the 2nd pair, I believe that the first 2 professions should come with more compensation and prestige than the ones in the 2nd example.

Same goes for actors. Yes it takes a lot more education to become an actor than it does to become a "waste disposal engineer" or w/e you'd like to call it, but at the end of the day the supply for actors is a lot greater than the demand and most of those who "make it" are determined more by their connections or their willingness to do "anything" for it, than by their talent or education. I can tell you for a fact that there are a LOT more talented actors out there than there are people actually making money from that profession.

Again, I'm not suggesting that any profession should be treated like shit. In fact, I personally believe that being in the upper rungs of society is no excuse to look down on anyone. But that has nothing to do with the fact that some professions bring more value and require more commitment than others and I'm simply advocating for those professions to be compensated and respected accordingly.

Literally, how is what you're describing any different from people that work in the FIRE sectors? If there is demand for a profession, that means society finds it valuable, period. Nor is the level of compensation for a profession indicative of the worth of that profession or that individual - I can guarantee you we would miss our garbage collectors a lot more than our rocket scientists.

Likewise, people of your ilk look down on professions that don't provide market value despite them providing significant social or cultural value - writers, artists, and...entertainers. It's a tired rehash of Aristotelian nonsense about social class, and it continues to be a loathsome and shallow way of looking at the world.

[Cockus Maximus]

You do not get to make that decision.



Literally, how is what you're describing any different from people that work in the FIRE sectors? If there is demand for a profession, that means society finds it valuable, period. Nor is the level of compensation for a profession indicative of the worth of that profession or that individual - I can guarantee you we would miss our garbage collectors a lot more than our rocket scientists.

Likewise, people of your ilk look down on professions that don't provide market value despite them providing significant social or cultural value - writers, artists, and...entertainers. It's a tired rehash of Aristotelian nonsense about social class, and it continues to be a loathsome and shallow way of looking at the world.

"People of my ilk" don't look down upon anyone and I already said that professions such as writers and artists have the potential to provide a lot of value to society. If you're going to have a discussion with me, please refrain from putting words in my mouth.

[Lex Icon]

"influencer" ugh...

[Shadowferal]

"influencer" ugh...

We have a winner...

[Queen of Hamsters]

I can't remember ever seeing or hearing anyone (aside from edgy teenagers) crap on specific occupations...
But then I don't live in the US. Here a full-time job is just that, and if you can get paid it's likely because society needs you or wants your services somehow.

Although being an "Influencer" is racking up a pretty damned bad rap with all the idiots claiming to be one but instead they're just unemployed...

Pick-up artists and garbage men should switch titles, tbh.

I love this comment.

[Beazy]

Executioner for lethal injection. That would freakin blow.

[Monster Hunter]

My job software engineering, when girls ask what I do and I say that I can litteraly see the conflict going on in there head between "omfg neeerd" and $$$$$$.

[AeneasBK]

Pick-up artists and garbage men should switch titles, tbh.

If that's yours it's great

[Monster Hunter]

Executioner for lethal injection. That would freakin blow.

The last hang man in the UK has a book he did I think that goes indepth on how he dealt with it.

https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/b...hoC3t0QAvD_BwE

He owned a pub near me after the death penelty was scraped

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Pick-up artists and garbage men should switch titles, tbh.

Garbage men are very well paid in the UK from What I here.

My dad always used to tell me "if you don't do well in school, you will end up a bin man" my mum now jokes I'd probly have been alright doing that haha

[Strawberry]

"Bin man?"
oh trash collector...or "sanitation engineer."

That job pays well in the US.

In Sweden too. Specialists at my job (governmental) have the same pay (some even less) than trash folk around here, it's hilarious haha, but I guess it wouldn't be popular otherwise.

[Zelk]

cop, soldier, bailiff stuff like that