2020 Election If you had to vote right now for U.S President who would you pick?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Liberalism as an idealogy and that definition are very different things lol.
...And you know how you can be both liberal and conservative.

Wrong , they aren't you are just good at making shit up. You aren't a liberal is what it comes down to, as I said I don't think you're a communist either, at least not as openly as you try to pretend.

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But you would have to say which of his policy positions make him a conservative or right wing. These ideological labels don't really mean anything without reference to policies.

No not really, you can be more liberal or conservative on an issue therefor yes the policy specifically would need to be referenced to provide context. However ones overall and general position doesn't change. Unless one really doesn't know what Liberal or Conservative means, OR they don't know enough about themselves having enough experience, OR both.


Again I am fiscally and socially LIBERAL. However that does NOT mean I am in lock stop with others who are liberal just because. If they are a Democrat maybe, because that is a party NOT a ideological Philosophy.


Guns for example, I am for gun control I am against banning Guns. Because Guns are a tool and I believe every human being should have the right to protect themselves, especially the most vulnerable.

That is a LIBERAL stance.


Someone who is Conservative would be for the 2A for patriotic reasons. Thus pivots more to the Constitution.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I really can't be bothered to argue the toss with any one as fucking stupid as you, but to state the blindingly obvious you don't get political definitions from googling shit online. You total fucking retard. It is like trying to build a nuclear weapon from online instructions. OK I literally cannot think about this any more because you are so mind-numbingly fucking stupid it is offensive.

Read an actual book or something.

Lmfao.

You compare a literal definition to the complexity of a nuclear bomb and call me stupid?


Seriously?


You are a beautiful example of your own accusation.

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I really can't be bothered to argue the toss with any one as fucking stupid as you, but to state the blindingly obvious you don't get political definitions from googling shit online. You total fucking retard. It is like trying to build a nuclear weapon from online instructions. OK I literally cannot think about this any more because you are so mind-numbingly fucking stupid it is offensive.

Read an actual book or something.

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No, it isn't. Liberalism is the philosophy of personal liberty. Hence the word "liberal". On every issue the true liberal believes in the philosophy of most personal freedom so would be opposed to any kind of control of anything.

You, because you are a fucking yank who thinks history and poltical theory started 5 seconds ago, think that because people call the Democrats "liberal" and that they favour gun control in general, that gun control is liberal. It is not. Try and understand politics existed before the US you fucking prick.

No you just don’t know what your talking about. And you even have the context of your own statement wrong.

Liberal is a specific word explained by philosophy of over all based on attitude and more importantly action.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'd vote for anything with a D on it when Trump is the other candidate. But among them, I'm leaning most towards Warren. Shefeels the most grounded in reality, has most of her bases covered, and is more realistic than idealistic. Idealistic people talk big, but can never get anything done (Bernie) and while Biden would make a fantastic Trump replacement, he's another center-right milquetoast Democrat.

[PosPosPos]

The US really kind of deserves another 4 years of Trump for having 4 years of Trump in the first place.

[Doctor Amadeus]

The US really kind of deserves another 4 years of Trump for having 4 years of Trump in the first place.

Of all the votes yours I was shocked. now reading your response I have to say I share it. If this were any other candidate, I might suggest Trump is qualified since he is already there, but the problem is he still isn't qualified, and has done nothing but made things worse.

Yeah I can sort of agree with what you are saying, but no fucking way if I can help it I sure as fuck wouldn't want to ever say I voted for the pain and misery he is causing and will continue to others down the line. Not just in the U.S

[JohnBrown1917]

The US really kind of deserves another 4 years of Trump for having 4 years of Trump in the first place.

But the rest of the world does not(or a conservative dem)

[Milchshake]

Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class.

[JohnBrown1917]

Wrong , they aren't you are just good at making shit up. You aren't a liberal is what it comes down to, as I said I don't think you're a communist either, at least not as openly as you try to pretend.

I never said I was liberal lol

Buts its funny how you think the dems have no conservatives/conservative liberals.

[infinitemeridian]

Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class.

Good joke.

[Milchshake]

Good joke.

Im quoting Bernie there. You calling Bernie a liar?

[infinitemeridian]

Im quoting Bernie there. You calling Bernie a liar?

Not necessarily a liar, but he's wrong and I would guess he probably doesn't believe that himself.

[mvaliz]

Warren is my first, with Sanders being the second.

While I'm happy that Sanders is gaining many leads over Biden, I'm also very VERY nervous about that!

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE Sanders to win! However... there's going to be a LOT of implosion if he does.

1) Who's Bernie's VP? My bets are obviously Liz Warren... I honestly believe those two have a pact that whomever gets the nod will be their VP (as I said in the past, one of them will drop - and become 'Kingmaker' by endorsing the other in the end). Bernie would be an absolute fool to choose somebody else at this point.

2) Will his reputation ((GYYYAAHSOCIALIZM!!)) come into play and that stupid talking point be punted to the forefront/exacerbated?

3) The violent aftermath from the Alt-Reicht in reprisal if he wins. I always said there would be violence if a Dem wins... but good christ on a cross if what they perceived as a 'Socialist Jew' wins!?!? >_<

4) I'm going to wait with baited breath when every single Youtube "Progressive Pundit" turn on Bernie in a dimespin the moment Bernie has to meet in the middle on just one of his policies, despite them chanting his name as a mascot for their ideals for the past 4 years...

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No but let's look at the definition

Liberal/Conservative definitions in regards to American Politics mean something completely different than the actual word's definition. I had a similar argument with a friend of mine as I was trying to convince her a few years ago there's now 2 different meanings to the word "Organic" when talking about food... the literal definition (Contains Carbon), and the marketing definition (non GMO/Pesticides). She couldn't see it.

"Conservative" in US politics means "Republican Right"... there's been nothing Conservation-based in the Republican side for decades. This happened because of policy shifts over time in both parties. They started as ACTUAL conservatives back when Lincoln founded it... then became the warmongering hateparty they are today thanks to the Southern Strategy. The term "conservative" just carried over due to identity/familiarity - not because of any Dictionary Definition.

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Im quoting Bernie there. You calling Bernie a liar?

I think even you know that proper politics* requires being polite to others, rather like how they always say "The Chair recognizes the right honorable [insert name here] even if they are a complete and utter jackass.".

*this was in the era prior to the reign of Dumbass Dump...

[Doctor Amadeus]

I never said I was liberal lol

Buts its funny how you think the dems have no conservatives/conservative liberals.

I never said others couldn't be Democrat and Conservative. I just made it clear I am not.

[JohnBrown1917]

I never said others couldn't be Democrat and Conservative. I just made it clear I am not.

You're supporting one when you got plenty of liberal choices to pick from, don't kid yourself.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You're supporting one when you got plenty of liberal choices to pick from, don't kid yourself.

So according to you, you aren't a liberal, you also support communism, which supports Trump. Yeah Ill go ahead and pass on what you think is the best vote comrade.

[mvaliz]

So according to you, you aren't a liberal, you also support communism, which supports Trump. Yeah Ill go ahead and pass on what you think is the best vote comrade.

Dude, he doesn't support Communism as he's just a T-Word... he's clearly a cartoon character designed to piss people off. FFS, look at his avatar! That entire design just reeks of Edgelord Triggering design. It's literally designed to be "what would an anti-communist hate and looks totally malevolent at the same time?" vs an actual pro-Communism symbol. >_<

[Fugus]

For me, I put Sanders as my top pick but would gladly accept Warren as my other pick.

Out of all of them running, Biden is the one that has the best chance of losing to Trump in my opinion out of the 3 by a large margin. He has publicly stated not too long ago that he wants to cut medicare and social security. And if he made it to the general, that would be plastered wall to wall.


And the main people who make up his base won't support that and the main ones who would support that would vote for Trump already at this point. And I refuse to vote for that view on either side of the isle. Those are deal breakers and I would write in a name before voting for that.

But with Sanders, his VP pick is VERY important as well giving his age and his previous heart attack. I know he won't get much of what he wants implemented and will be fought on them hardcore but I would rather have someone fight for me and fail then sell me out and succeed. And if he does, that still pushes those issues more into the public discussion and emboldens more with those views to go for the lower offices which is still a net gain.

Biden winning is one of the quickest ways to run off Democratic support and playing the game of hoping on enough people coming out to vote against Trump since you ran off many who actually wanted to come out and vote FOR something.

[Doctor Amadeus]

She has a snowball's chance in hell in winning. And as you can see, he added an "other" option that you can write in. Are you going to complain that someone like Cory Booker, Tom Steyer, or Michael Bloomberg aren't on the poll as well? Since they are all polling higher than Tulsi is? Or even Amy Klobochaur? Are you going to complain about that as well?

Tulsi Gabbard isn't even popular in her home seat, let alone the polling. She is only being propped up by Russian bots and right wing trolls.

Exactly hell I love Amy Klobuchar but at this point everything you mentioned applies.

I added Yang kind of as a thermometer.

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You realize that almost everything a president does is policy. Every time Trump has made any decision then that's a part of his policy.

No I refuse to acknowledge this moron Trump has read a single piece of legislation or has born any idea grounded in reality much less the fucking constitution.

He’s an imbecile who at best has others do his work for him until they give him back his phone, remote or crayons. Until after the adults have called for him.

That’s not leadership and it sure as hell isnt policy. It’s let’s try to do this bullshit until someone with a brain explains why he can’t.

As I said Magic 8 ball is as capable of policy as Trump.

That’s just stone cold fact.

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Dude, he doesn't support Communism as he's just a T-Word... he's clearly a cartoon character designed to piss people off. FFS, look at his avatar! That entire design just reeks of Edgelord Triggering design. It's literally designed to be "what would an anti-communist hate and looks totally malevolent at the same time?" vs an actual pro-Communism symbol. >_<

Honestly I as a rule take others at their word unless their is prudent reason not to. I sure don’t take much of what communismwillwin to heart.

But also knowing your history. I know you as pretty credible. So thanks for the heads up. Likely your observations caught motives from him I’ve missed so far.

[JohnBrown1917]

So according to you, you aren't a liberal, you also support communism, which supports Trump. Yeah Ill go ahead and pass on what you think is the best vote comrade.

Nothing liberal about Anarcho-communism. And still lol at trying to imply I support Trump. Why are you so mad over Biden being called a conservative?

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Dude, he doesn't support Communism as he's just a T-Word... he's clearly a cartoon character designed to piss people off. FFS, look at his avatar! That entire design just reeks of Edgelord Triggering design. It's literally designed to be "what would an anti-communist hate and looks totally malevolent at the same time?" vs an actual pro-Communism symbol. >_<

Its an anarcho-communist symbol, sorry that is somehow edgy to you.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Nothing liberal about Anarcho-communism. And still lol at trying to imply I support Trump. Why are you so mad over Biden being called a conservative?

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Its an anarcho-communist symbol, sorry that is somehow edgy to you.

Lol I said I’m not conservative I’m fine with whatever your view is on anything.

I’m supporting Biden because he is the most qualified and capable.

As far as to whatever you consider yourself not really my concern.

So as been pointed out about you I’m moving on.