Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Orbitus]

Why, I thought you wanted Trump to win?

I think he thinks that if Biden picks Warren, that means Trump wins easily, because he has some twisted Bizarro reality he is living in.

[beanman12345]

I think he thinks that if Biden picks Warren, that means Trump wins easily, because he has some twisted Bizarro reality he is living in.

Or he has serious reading comprehension issues, maybe both.

[NED funded]

Good on Warren for standing up to the Bernie bullshit. Its about time someone put a stop to all that nonsense

[cubby]

Good on Warren for standing up to the Bernie bullshit. Its about time someone put a stop to all that nonsense

Agreed. Bernie needs to have withdrawn right after his heart attack. And the fact that he's openly giving the GOP attack points is asinine, sophomoric, and dangerously naive.

[Yoshingo]

I was waiting for a moment when Sanders and his supporters reverted back to their previous election selves.

And here we are.

[Yoshingo]

"Elizabeth Warren Is Starting a Fake Beef with Bernie Sanders"

Good article.

Let's not forget that Sanders (along with Biden) actually stands a strong chance to win the election against Trump, while Warren polls as the only candidate who would lose 100% in a run against Trump.

I like how apparently Sanders doesn't have to take accountability for a tactic of undermining Warren with his phone call volunteers but her responding to a question is her "starting fake beef."

The author of the article is so disingenuous in her attempt to remain neutral the more you dig into her other articles and twitter. She puts all the onus of unity 100% on Warren despite Sanders and his tribe being perhaps the most hostile and aggressive members of the primary competition. And then criticizes Warren for responding instead of laying back and taking their bullshit.

She's clearly just a Sanders supporter who is doing his oppo work in a professional setting.

[Milchshake]

She's clearly just a Sanders supporter who is doing his oppo work in a professional setting.

There's clear precedent for this. Like David Sirota pretending to be a journalist while actively working for the Sanders campaign.


It's just Bernie clearing the way, since he think it's his turn this time.

Elizabeth Warren Said Bernie Sanders Told Her He Didn’t Believe A Woman Could Win In 2020

Elizabeth Warren has offered an explosive account of a meeting with Bernie Sanders in which he said he didn’t believe a woman could win in 2020.

On Monday evening, after a day of her campaign declining to comment on the story, the candidate issued a statement confirming her recollection of the meeting.

Sanders has denied the story, first reported by CNN, as a total fabrication by “staff who weren’t in the room [and] are lying about what happened,” he said in a lengthy statement issued Monday. Three people who heard Warren talk in early 2019 about the meeting said on Monday that their memory of her telling matched CNN’s reporting.

The fact that the candidate was herself the source of the story renders Sanders’ first response — blaming it on “lying” staffers — inoperative, and ensures that the two senators will be forced to discuss the details of the disputed December 2018 meeting at Tuesday night’s debate here in Iowa.

In the meeting between Warren and Sanders, both of whom frequently refer to the other as a “friend,” the Massachusetts senator informed her colleague that she planned to run for president. In his statement denying the CNN account of the meeting, Sanders said it would be “ludicrous to believe” that he responded by saying a woman couldn’t win the election.

So how does Bernie expect to build a coalition or even an administration when he's burning bridges with all other progressives?

[Yoshingo]

So how does Bernie expect to build a coalition or even an administration when he's burning bridges with all other progressives?

Because he stupidly thinks if he somehow gets the nomination that everyone will just hold their noses and vote for him because people hate Trump.

Which is an absolutely stupid gamble that I wouldn't bet on.

Him and his supporters did as little as possible in 2016 after Hillary won, throwing a tantrum the entire way. Yet they expect everybody to just fall in line behind him like they DIDN'T if he wins?

Its just delusion. Sanders and Trump are two different sides of the same coin. They and their supporters act quite similarly when you boil down their points to tone and style. And I think letting such a person get the nomination is dangerous. I don't like Biden at all, I hate his milquetoast moderate stance on basically everything, but if Sanders and his supporters can spitefully throw an election that doesn't go the way they want, then the dug their own graves the next time if he were to win.

[CostinR]

I like how apparently Sanders doesn't have to take accountability for a tactic of undermining Warren with his phone call volunteers but her responding to a question is her "starting fake beef."

Imagine a political campaign attempting to undermine their opponent in a primary.

Don't get me wrong. Sanders should have expected a reply, but sexism? Really?

Are we back in 2016 where Clinton was trying to hammer the Sanders campaign over claims of sexism. It will be fun to see if Warren's stun will be enough to survive Sander's scorched. Meanwhile Biden will be eating his popcorn with a huge smile on his face.

[Yoshingo]

Imagine a political campaign attempting to undermine their opponent in a primary.

Don't get me wrong. Sanders should have expected a reply, but sexism? Really?

Are we back in 2016 where Clinton was trying to hammer the Sanders campaign over claims of sexism. It will be fun to see if Warren's stun will be enough to survive Sander's scorched. Meanwhile Biden will be eating his popcorn with a huge smile on his face.

I love that the last two of you posting frame the entire thing as if Warren is at fault for something. When she literally was just responding to shit that Sanders did and said.

I'm sure people smarter than me could figure out why that could possibly be the reason.

I wonder.

Also kudos for eliminating any possible culpability on Sanders' part for 2016 and acting like he was some passive bystander that the evil demon woman was going after.

Also yes if he said a woman couldn't win against trump in 2020 that's just sexism. Sorry.

Personally, and I say that because I speak from personal opinion here. When I first was "attacked" and ridiculed for supporting Sanders or preferring him over the other candidates, it was Warren supporters who started attacking me.

I mean you take one step out into the internet in the last year and you can see Sanders' ilk going after everybody in the same way that Trump's fanbase does.

[Theodarzna]

I like how apparently Sanders doesn't have to take accountability for a tactic of undermining Warren with his phone call volunteers but her responding to a question is her "starting fake beef."

The author of the article is so disingenuous in her attempt to remain neutral the more you dig into her other articles and twitter. She puts all the onus of unity 100% on Warren despite Sanders and his tribe being perhaps the most hostile and aggressive members of the primary competition. And then criticizes Warren for responding instead of laying back and taking their bullshit.

She's clearly just a Sanders supporter who is doing his oppo work in a professional setting.

What undermine? Accurately describing her base of support?

[Yoshingo]

Let's all enjoy Biden neo-liberal and half conservative governments forever and ever then and wonder why all the known issues keep getting worse.

Did we forget that Biden was against universal healthcare or is that highly democratically demanded right suddenly no longer important? Shall we wait another 8-16 years?

You'll find no love of Biden from me. I audibly groaned when I learned he was entering the race.

But I think the bias against female candidates is as true, or even moreso, of people who call themselves Democratic Socialists. People Republicans are really good at devolving everything into stupid little sound bites and its really easy to associate Sanders with bad faith 'examples' of Socialism, even if they're total nonsense. Way moreso than...what...that Warren was thought she had a Native American heritage? That attack line grew old when Trump trotted it out over a year ago.

I was a little excited for Buttigieg when he was rising in the polls but then he did a few millionaire fundraisers and conveniently pivoted completely to the center, so he lost my attention. Warren is the closest to my own political beliefs while I think she could beat Trump.

This entire handwringing about Sanders and Warren only exists because both are in the race at the same time. If that hadn't happened the other would be #1 in the primary easily. Unfortunately both sides pretty much hate the other now so if Sanders drops out and Warren doesn't or vice versa, I'm doubtful a large percentage of their fanbase would shift to supporting them. I'm not actually sure where they'd go at this point.

I really wish Sanders would have not entered the race. But he seems dead set on running every year until he dies and just burning down the process while he does so, since he's not going to win regardless of if Warren is in the race or not.

[Yoshingo]

The only ones to blame in my eyes would be the democrats who can't get over their fear of "scary socialism".

LOL what? Yeah out of all the people in the country its somehow the Democrats who are the only ones to blame.

Its 100% definitely not the Republicans and conservatives who have equated it with Hitler and the Nazis or Stalin. Nope not at all.

Come on now. The only reason a section of the Democrat party is hostile to further left policies is because Republicans have successfully strawmanned that ideology into being the same as Nazism and Democrats think they have to pander to the mythical undecided voter.

[Yoshingo]

Let's not forget it was also Warren who went on the offense first here with her "billionaires in wine" caves remark against him here.

Buttigieg had been attacking her since the 2nd debate so, no, it wasn't Warren who went on the offense first. I'm annoyed it took her as long as it did to push back on that little turd's disingenuous GOP attack lines.

Edit:

Just to be clear since someone threw out the accusation a bit earlier: I have no problem with candidates disagreeing with one another and trying to one up each other on policy.

But it's not policy for a candidate to tell another one that they can't win because of their gender. And it's not a policy difference for one candidate to use disingenuous attack lines from the other political party to try to score a gotcha on another candidate. That's just scumbaggery to me. And it realllllyyy turns me off wanting to support them should they win the primary.

[Fugus]

Either way, my personal view has Sanders as my topic pick with Warren as my second.

Biden on the other hand leaves me writing in a name as I refuse to someone who just within the last 2 years went on CSPAN talking about cutting Social Security and Medicare. Something you will see plastered wall to wall during the general killing any chance Biden had before it starts.

The Democrats need to give voters something to vote FOR and not just hope to put a bigger bad on the other side to vote against.

[Yoshingo]

There are proper ways to deal with stuff like this, if true, and none of them involve making full blast statements in front of the media.

You act like the only piece of information about this entire topic was Warren putting out an announcement and that was it.

Somebody leaked this accusation early this morning and by the time it was night it was #1 trending online (Namely due to Sanders folks talking about it so incessantly) and she either responds to it tonight or someone asks her about it in the debate tomorrow and that's the only takeaway regarding her from that last primary debate. She could have said this much, much earlier if her goal was to try to hurt Sanders.

You think if Warren was some evil lying mastermind she would have wanted to say this early on to try and kneecap his campaign before it got going. Fact is that it seems like she was put into an untenable position and put out a statement tonight so that tomorrow the entire narrative around her appearance in the debate isn't just about this topic.

Its a lose-lose. She gets accused of being opportunistic tonight or she gets accused of being opportunistic tomorrow. I've noticed this has happened to her more than once during this primary. Where the negative press onus is on her responding to disingenuous or unfair attacks by other people. Somehow its always her own fault when people do or say things negatively against her. Not the individuals or groups who launched the claim.

Again that sure is interesting. As someone who watched the clusterfuck of media coverage about Hillary Clinton for 2 decades, up to and including her campaign in 2016, its not really difficult to narrow your eyes and go, 'Hmmmmm' when it seems only the top tier female candidate seems to be getting this kind of 'coverage.'

[Milchshake]

This is totally in character for Bernie. In case anyone forgot Bernie's analysis of the 2018 midterms.




It's like Bernie's whole thing to point out a factor that is known to be a barrier (race; gender) and then discuss this barrier in the most offensive way possible- Helluva a way to win over all those Tucker Carlson viewers.

Amazing how he downplayed the massive voter suppression that cost Abrams the Georgia election.

[Blur4stuff]

gotta boost those ratings with a manufactured fight!

toss in some trolling and that's what this is

[Kellhound]

About as useful as broad generalizations, agreed.

Perhaps, but SD has voted Republican in 27 of 32 Presidential elections. The last Democrat to win SD was LBJ in 1964.

[mvaliz]

gotta boost those ratings with a manufactured fight!

toss in some trolling and that's what this is

Am I the only one who's seemingly notice an internet trollfight spring out of nowhere between Bernie supporters and Warren supporters, each claiming the other said something - when neither did?

Yeah, anybody else smell Borscht? I sure do...