Poll: If you had to vote for U.S President right now who would you pick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by god rolla View Post
    Why do you support Biden?. He said that he would ban fossil fuels. Not only would your energy costs sky rocket, it would be unsustainable. Solar panels right now don't have the power to carry everything in your household (in the future they will get better but right now they are not).

    Fossil fuels lifted millions of people out of poverty.
    Yes and if we don’t make drastic changes right now there be no hope for the future of this planet. People have to learn to adapt.

    Solar and alternative energy is almost as important as protecting our fresh water.

    Fossil fuels have also kept billions more in poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvaliz View Post

    I think even you know that proper politics* requires being polite to others, rather like how they always say "The Chair recognizes the right honorable [insert name here] even if they are a complete and utter jackass.".

    *this was in the era prior to the reign of Dumbass Dump...
    Uhhh are you to young to remember New Gingrich or Orrin Hatch? That's your mythological era of politeness for you...

    Back in 2008, there was this senator from Vermont, who believed in the Blue Slip because of he wanted to be polite. This asshole is the reason Trump filled 25% of federal judicial appointments.

    No, the other senator from Vermont... I think you can make a case that Pat Leahy did more damage to liberal interests than any individual Democratic senator of the Obama era, including the red state moderates:

    The second reason for Trump’s outsized impact on the judiciary is that, when Democrats last controlled the Senate, one especially important Democrat — Judiciary Chair Patrick Leahy (VT) — took an unusually expansive view of the rights of the minority party.

    An informal tradition known as the “blue slip” sometimes gives home-state senators an exaggerated influence over who gets confirmed to federal judgeships within their states (the tradition gets its name from blue pieces of paper that home-state senators use to indicate whether they approve of a particular nominee).

    Traditionally, the Senate Judiciary Committee showed some level of deference to senators who disapprove of their home-state nominees, although the level of deference given to these senators varied wildly depending on who chaired the committee and whether that committee chair was politically aligned with the incumbent president.

    Leahy, who chaired the Committee for most of the Obama presidency, gave home-state senators a simply extraordinary power to block judicial nominees. Under Leahy, a single senator of either party could veto any nominee to a federal judgeship in their state (although federal appeals courts typically oversee multiple states, each individual seat on these courts is traditionally assigned to a particular state).

    Before Leahy, just one committee chair imposed such a rigid blue slip rule: Sen. James Eastland (D-MS), an arch-segregationist who took over the committee not long after the Supreme Court’s school integration decision in Brown v. Board of Education (1954). A strict blue slip rule allowed Southern senators to block judges who might try to desegregate public schools.

    Leahy, to be clear, is not a segregationist. He’s a reliably liberal Democrat. But he nonetheless reinstated the Eastland Rule during his tenure as chair of the Judiciary Committee.

    Leahy says that he did so to protect the “rights of the minority.” And protect Republicans he did. Red-state Republicans used the power Leahy gave them to hold many judicial seats open until Obama left office. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) effectively held a seat on the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit open for eight years until Trump could fill it.

    It’s tough to estimate the full impact of Leahy’s adherence to the Eastland Rule. The rule often stopped the Obama White House from nominating anyone to a vacant judgeship. According to Daniel Goldberg of the liberal Alliance for Justice, Obama “did not even make a nomination” to two seats on the Fifth Circuit because the blue slip would have doomed anyone he named; those seats were eventually filled by Trump nominees.

    In other cases, the blue slip allowed Republicans to drag out negotiations over a particular vacancy until McConnell took over the Senate in 2015 and imposed a blockade on nearly all of Obama’s appellate nominees.

    The Eastland Rule also weakened Obama’s hand in negotiations with Senate Republicans, and sometimes forced him to name relatively conservative judges in order to placate senators who could veto judicial nominees. Sens. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) and Johnny Isakson (R-GA), for example, effectively held one of Obama’s Eleventh Circuit nominees hostage until Obama agreed to also name Judge Julie Carnes — a George H.W. Bush district court appointee — to a second vacancy on that same court.

    Republicans did not reciprocate when they came to power. Not long after Trump took office, then-Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley (R-IA) started confirming appellate court nominees over the objection of their home-state Democratic senators. (Republicans, for what it’s worth, have largely honored the blue slip tradition when a home-state senator objects to a district court nominee.)


    What’s particularly amazing, as Millhiser says, is that Leahy wasn’t even upholding a Solemn Senate Tradition. The actual dominant norm before 2006 was that the failure to return a blue slip should be an important factor but not dispositive, with the only non-Eastland exception being a transparently cynical restoration of the rule by Orrin Hatch during the Clinton administration, which needless to say he did not restore when Republicans regained their Senate majority under Bush.
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    You know, Bloomberg really is rising in the polls. I am surprised but looks like he could be in a solid third place in this field shortly behind Biden and Bernie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    You know, Bloomberg really is rising in the polls. I am surprised but looks like he could be in a solid third place in this field shortly behind Biden and Bernie.
    Ok Bloomberg.
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    Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as vice president. I'm fine with it the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’ve never voted and don’t plan to.
    I think I find that actually more detestable than voting far right.

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    Bernie 1st choice, Trump 2nd. The rest are terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Eleven View Post
    If I could vote in the us, I'd vote for trump.

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    Nah, it's far worse when people vote for a party because that's what their parents did and their parents.
    Which is slightly better than the people who vote against their self interest because "lol Roe v Wade"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Bernie 1st choice, Trump 2nd. The rest are terrible.
    So you don't actually have any ideological beliefs. Good to know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Eleven View Post
    If I could vote in the us, I'd vote for trump.

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    Nah, it's far worse when people vote for a party because that's what their parents did and their parents.
    I think being determined to not vote at all, never, is still worse, yet only slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Eleven View Post
    I have no idea what roe v wade is.
    How can you have political opinions about America and NOT know what RvW is?

    Short answer - it's basiclally the right to Abortion. Roe V Wade was the ruleing that basically legalized Abortion in America, something the Evangelical Republicans have been slowly working to abolish in all cases.

  12. #112
    *shrugs*
    Anyone that votes for Trump probably doesn't care about Roe V Wade anyway.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Bernie 1st choice, Trump 2nd. The rest are terrible.
    So, you want to go from Democratic socialist to Neo-Fascist? What the actual fuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
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    Anyone that votes for Trump probably doesn't care about Roe V Wade anyway.
    I will fix it for you, Anyone that votes Trump, doesn't know what reality is anyway, nor do they care. They watch Fox News for fucks sake.

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    Any Democrat really. Trump is a fucking criminal scumbag that sullies the office with every breath he takes. Plus, I’d like to get back to NOT having a retard in change of the most powerful country on Earth. WTF is wrong with people that can’t see that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Eleven View Post
    I don't need to know what that is to discuss issues in usa. Should I tell americans they can't discuss something about EU or sweden because they don't know something?
    Yes, you should be aware of one of the most important political issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    So, you want to go from Democratic socialist to Neo-Fascist? What the actual fuck?
    I would imagine it's because centrists are basically bought and paid for by those that want to preserve the status quo which increasing amounts of westerners are unhappy with.

    What did Obama promise? Hope and change. What did Trump promise? Hate and change. What does Bernie promise? Socialism and change.

    Trump is a national embarrassment but it looks like plenty of Americans are happy to stomach that because hey, he's definitely a change.

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    Well, if you guys who hate Trump and feel he is certainly going to lose, the way to make some money is to bet against him with the odds makers. They have him at a all time high of being reelected.

    https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020...l-odds-futures
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    Not Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Well, if you guys who hate Trump and feel he is certainly going to lose, the way to make some money is to bet against him with the odds makers. They have him at a all time high of being reelected.

    https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020...l-odds-futures
    Well that has nothing to do with the topic, but thanks for the random anyways.

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