How did you find the defeat of the Legion? Beliveable?

[mickybrighteyes]

Sargeras isn't taken out in any way, shape or form. The titans temporarily locked him up. The titans couldn't even handle properly locking up the old gods, who all leaked out of their prisons prior to us killing them (or freeing them).

Sargeras will 110% escape, probably during late Shadowlands.

"deal with" doesn't have to mean killed/destroyed/etc. His capture is a form of "dealing with" and doing so in a single patch. Sargeras isn't some parasitic being leeching into a planet oozing their essence to manifest beyond their confines so comparing to old god parasites isn't a good example.

When he does break loose again and they retcon his motivations (yet again) it will still be a further let down.

[Beautiful Man]

He's dead...

He already died before. He can still come back.

OT: The Legion wasn't defeated.

[Piamonte]

He already died before. He can still come back.

OT: The Legion wasn't defeated.

before he died on azeroth, now he died in the twisting nether.

[Beautiful Man]

before he died on azeroth, now he died in the twisting nether.

He died on Draenor.

[TickTickTick]

That would've actually been dumb...

Yeah, almost as dumb as a tournament at the end of the world, in a frozen wasteland, in the doorstep of the Lich King himself, and next to facility that was a prison of an old god KEK

[FelPlague]

I'm all for the classes having their own story and so on, but things like this, that's the primary motivation on what had been the primary villain for a decade, surely they could have had the Warlock NPC representative mention this in a cutscene, or even just gossip/flavour text when spoken to so we could find out about that. :/

Yeah that's why they arnt bringing back class quests really... They said they learned from it that not many people play alts to experience story. As to experience all of legion you had to level 1 of each class. Sorta why wod seemed a bit small. Cause unless you played both factions, you missed like 40% of the story.

[TheFirstOnes]

He already died before. He can still come back.

OT: The Legion wasn't defeated.

No. He's canonically dead.

[matrix123mko]

I tell myself that Medivh fought Legion on other planets at that time. He made diversion so we could strike the command.

[Nathreim]

Its not believable in the least. The Legion numbers in the millions they have countless of planets under their control and armies all over the universe.

Blizz made a mistake sending just one ship. What they should have done is put another Dalaran and Archerus in Argus and show the entire combined might of Azeroth using these fortresses to invade. We should have had dragons and Wild Gods and Titan Keepers with us it should have been a war of epic proportions.

Blizz punted and it felt lacking as a result.

[Alanar]

Is not Blizzard's fault if you are not paying attention.

It was to much to put in 1 patch realy.. so many things felt rushed or unexplained. Its stupid we have to level a warlock to find out why sargaras was a freaking cloud.

It was a mess Argus it was. Argus being the planet soul out of nowhere also was stupid.

We should have lost from archimonde on dreanor and go from there. But hey not that bfa was better.

[Piamonte]

He died on Draenor.

Interview with Dave Kosak. "And the idea was if you played in Mythic and defeated Archimonde, you actually defeated him in the Nether and that he'd be dead dead for good. That was the idea that we played with. We tried to explain that and I don't know if... that certainly doesn't come across in-game because it's not necessarily explained in-game."

[Amarys]

Well lore wise it doesnt make sense anyway. A single orc peon could defeat the entire Legion many times over if you think about it. There was only 1 copy of each demon and Legion leader in the entire WoW universe but every other place had multiple timelines, alternate bla bla etc etc. So technically one could gather up an infinite army of those sleepy peons from all the alternate Valleys of Trials and send them at Sargeras. Might take a while but they would eventually overwhelm him.

On that note, why was the Legion obsessed with our version of Azeroth anyway? He could have found one where life had never begun and overtaken that instead.

[Beautiful Man]

Interview with Dave Kosak. "And the idea was if you played in Mythic and defeated Archimonde, you actually defeated him in the Nether and that he'd be dead dead for good. That was the idea that we played with. We tried to explain that and I don't know if... that certainly doesn't come across in-game because it's not necessarily explained in-game."

That's just gameplay.

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No. He's canonically dead.

No. And even if he was, that doesn't mean anything. Illidan was canonically dead. If you're dead, your soul goes somewhere, and you can be brought back.

[Hubbl3]

The Legion and Sargeras are portrayed as astoundingly incompetent so their defeat is highly plausible.

[Piamonte]

That's just gameplay.

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No. And even if he was, that doesn't mean anything. Illidan was canonically dead. If you're dead, your soul goes somewhere, and you can be brought back.

lol the word of a dev is canon, if he says he is dead, then he is dead.

Illidan was retconned because not even blizzard was happy as to how his story turned out to be.

[Soon-TM]

He's dead...

Nobody stays dead for long in WoW. Even dead people can become a bother

[Farrarie]

demons been rampaging, and destroying planets before the legion creation, there is still some eredars, pitlords and dreadlords to take command.

[Fritters154]

Also, I hate not getting jokes.

The joke was that Blizz actually gave us patch 3.2 in Wrath, where the entire basis was Tirion thinking it was a good idea to hone our skills prior to facing the Lich King by having jousting matches... in Icecrown of all places...

The raid it gave us also just featured us fighting in a bunch of battles that didn't need to occur (already imprisoned foes, the opposing faction that we shared a common looming enemy with, a demon that didn't even need to be summoned, and a trap by the Lich King because he's the only one who realized it was dumb as hell to put up a freaking tournament so close to him on a continent full of spider catacombs that he controlled).

Even if Argus felt rushed, at least we didn't get a complete stagnation patch where we set up some jousting inside enemy territory just to bide our time.

[Amarys]

The joke was that Blizz actually gave us patch 3.2 in Wrath, where the entire basis was Tirion thinking it was a good idea to hone our skills prior to facing the Lich King by having jousting matches... in Icecrown of all places...

The raid it gave us also just featured us fighting in a bunch of battles that didn't need to occur (already imprisoned foes, the opposing faction that we shared a common looming enemy with, a demon that didn't even need to be summoned, and a trap by the Lich King because he's the only one who realized it was dumb as hell to put up a freaking tournament so close to him on a continent full of spider catacombs that he controlled).

It was a last minute change though. The tournament was meant to be taken place in Crystalsong, which is why it's so empty but they had some technical problems with it as it was too close to Dalaran and would have caused FPS problems.

It wouldn't have been so silly then as the point would have been to entertain your troops and get them in higher spirits before marching to Icecrown. Kinda like how they showed soldiers movies and had celebrities perform for them before sending them to battle in WW2.

[Aphrel]

He's dead...

You telling me archimonde throwing guldan throu the portal is not canon, even thou it led to the entire legion expansion? :P

Even the mythic version had the archimonde death on draenor cinematic in the end!

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Didn't we kill him in the Nether?

We were in the nether, but even the mythic version of the fight shows us the cinematic of him dying on draenor, and he never reaches 0%. And given that him throwing guldan throu that portal led to the entire Legion expansion im pretty confident that the cinematic is canon.

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I thought the devs said he was dead?

they have? How did they spinn that? Given that we did have a legion expansion, that cinematic feels kinda set in stone as canon.

You got a source?